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#4063780 - 01/14/15 03:54 PM The Future And Current Status of AMD...  
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Rather than continuing my trend of getting into it in other peoples build thread, I'll make a specific thread.

Currently AMD is planning a new CPU for 2016.
(there are rumors regarding type etc, I'll gather up some data).

My concern is with the new CEO and plan to dump the remainder of the Modulized CPU design to return to Serialized CPUs, etc.

The new CPU was supposed to be out in 2016, yet we have NO preliminary architecture schematics, no actual hard data, nothing on the chipset and AMD is still losing important staff members groups at a time.

Even with the APU contracts for MS, Sony, And Others for Consoles, theres no sign of a High End Gaming CPU in the future yet.

I can only continue to use PCIe 2.0 and DDR3 for so much longer, as DDR4 and PCIe3.0 become more mainstream on every other platform.

Along with chipset features becoming more and more outdated on the 990 Series.

My next build was to continue to be AMD, CPU, GPU etc.

But Right now it's not looking good future wise.

The Flagship GPUs coming up, with use of HBM stacked memory modules, will likely bring most AM3+ platforms to its knees due to dated I/O.

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I don't know if AMD's roadmap is being thwarted by technical issues or leadership issues.
Did they decide they're going to do X and Y in 2015 and 2016, only to find out X will take till 2016, but it won't be the X they really wanted, more like 3/4 X, and Y is closer to 2018?
Or did the management say, nope, move up Y to 2015 and push back X...then reverse that decision when it was clear Y wouldn't make it...then reverse it again when X also suffered setbacks while Y was progressing?

Part of the problem is you need to be part fortune teller WRT figuring out what tech will mature, where to invest to ensure that it does, when it will, what the competition will do (in their case, both Intel and nvidia who to date are still largely not stepping on each other's toes with nvidia's exit from the chipset market and Intel's far slower GPU advances than was assumed years back)...

Is it bad luck? Bad leaders? Bad investments? A little of everything? There's no doubt that after the inroads AMD made 10 years ago no one thought they'd be where they are now. People were wanting and hoping for a Boeing/Airbus style duopoly, instead they lost market share to Intel they didn't have to lose and have been forced to compete with them and nvidia by lowering their prices.

My armchair analyst theory is the ATI buyout was a mistake. They could've proceeded to compete with Intel with embedded video just the same and wouldn't have had to worry about competing with nvidia too. They're fighting a two front war against two LARGER opponents who each are fighting only one!



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#4063867 - 01/14/15 07:03 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
...Currently AMD is planning a new CPU for 2016....yet we have NO preliminary architecture schematics...Right now it's not looking good future wise...


Agree with post.

Nice if you can use your sources to clarify where things are headed.

As noted in the other thread -- I too would like to continue AMD based on price/performance and some "psychological" factors. However, the CPUs in particular need a boost or Intel will be too far ahead in a couple years (if Intel wants to be).


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As an added thought:

I think the "mass desktop market" is headed for the APU type device with no added GPU -- assuming its not already there. Moreover, laptops and tablets with a low power APU type device meet most folks requirements.

So, AMD is probably spending its limited resources where it can more assuredly make a profit. There are not enough folks who want systems that need high end CPUs.


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New GPUs are due out this year, but I have concerns with PCIe2.0 beibg a bottleneck along with the already habdicapped cache on the fx chips.

HBM/Stacked DRAM and Huge GPU will require a mess of memory I/O.

The plan was to dump the rest of the module design, per new ceo abd return to conventional cores (serialized cores vs parallel cores etc). These Chip were due to be test in 2015 and out in 2016. And it was stated that it would not retain the AM3 socket array.

the APUs were updated thru steamroller and excavator architectures, but with them being lower tdp parts the performance is still lacking, even with PCIe3.0 support.

Outside of PCIe3, there's DDR4, USB3TC, NEW SATA, m.2 SSD PORTS, New SPUs, etc.

The FX CPUs are no longer an Option without an updated chipset.
I refuse to go Low TDP FM2+,

I will look into my sources.


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High Performance K12 is still scheduled for Q1-2016,

Codename "Zen", x86-64 and ARM variants, 14nm FinFET.

No details availible yet about chipset etc.


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#4067647 - 01/22/15 03:24 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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AMD Finalky confirms some specs (all rumored up til now).

R9-380, Will have 4096 GCN1.2 Shaders, 4GB of High Bandwidth Stacked Memory.

Might have to trade in my 7970 Lightnings soon!


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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
AMD Finalky confirms some specs (all rumored up til now).

R9-380, Will have 4096 GCN1.2 Shaders, 4GB of High Bandwidth Stacked Memory.

Might have to trade in my 7970 Lightnings soon!


Thanks for info. I've been waiting for an AMD high end, single chip card with around 4000 shaders to replace my 2x HD7970 (with over 4000 shaders total). So, a very likely purchase smile

Not that the new card will be that much better. Rather, its something new to buy -- that won't be worse smile


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HBM should be good, if spec sheets are accurate,
4GB of VRAM, but only taking the spots on the PCB of maybe 4 chips instead of 16.

Makes room to allow one big GPU chip, with a AiO Water cooler slapped on it out of the box.

Thats likely not even the top end GPU either. (Rx-390).

However, the power draw of 2 lightnings is ~500watts, takes up 4 total slots, and Xfire isnt garaunteed performance.

So I can drop ~200w Any Xfire incompatibilities, get faster memory, VSR and all the latest driver things that arent working for 7000 series etc, free up 2 slots, abd save on heat etc as it will.be water cooled out of the box.

Keep a 7970 lightning as a backup, and give the other one to my brother.

My issue is whether or not it will suffer on PCIe 2.0


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I don't see the point in being loyal to one brand. I do hope AMD comes out with a good, competitive high end CPU to keep Intel innovating though. It looks like the next release of Intel CPUs will be a big jump though.

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Originally Posted By: Flogger23m
I don't see the point in being loyal to one brand...


For me, its politics. Since the 90s, Intel and Nvidia have "cheated" a lot -- at the expense of reasonably "fair" competition. Some of this has been proven in court. For example, AMD was awarded 1.5 Billion dollars from Intel -- thing is, the damage had been done and sealed AMDs fate.

That cheating cost customers choice and money.

Being old fashioned (literally as well as figuratively), I merely don't want to "reward" companies like that.

However, that's just me. Other folks either don't know the "back story" or don't care. And, that's okay with me smile

With graphics, being an AMD fan is easy -- Nvidia and AMD switch places every few months -- both are hyper competitive.

With desktop CPUs, its getting hard -- AMD has not kept up. Still, AMD is competitive. That's probably because Intel is not going "all out" to develop desktop CPUs. Rather, they seem to be after "similar performance" at "lower power" -- which is a good fit to the current Market.

In summary, Intel and Nvidia make great products. Were it not for their history, I would be buying their stuff at times -- and don't begrudge others buying their stuff smile


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I could argue you're just rewarding AMD for not getting caught doing the same thing. smile



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I do find it odd that the new CEO preaches that high power market is dying and AMD like Intel and nVidia is going for low power etc.

Yet the Rx-380 uses 300w, lol

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Some partially confirmed specs for the "Zen" x86 CPU:
-Codename "Zen", (We already knew that)
-Architecture Family Name "Summit Ridge"
-Market Family "FX"
-SMT (well we already knew they were going back to SMT from CMT.)
-14NM FinFET, Global Foundries
-DDR4 SUPPORT
-PCIe 3.x Support
-95w Max TDP, Up to 8 Cores
-FMx Socket (FM3 Socket.)


Not confirmed/Rumored:
-2016 (Q'3)
-HBM and Hybrid DDR3/DDR4 CONTROLLER.
-Unknown if GCN Blocks will be integrated

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Updates:

R9-370, Tonga GPU Rebrand (R9-285), Q2-Q3
R9-380, Hawaii GPU Rebrand, Greneda (R9-290), Q2-Q3

R9-390, Fiji, 4096 SP, 4GB HBM, 1024Bit Memory Interface, Q3-Q4
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I await Fiji smile


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I want a Fiji x2, but I have to have a PCIe3 slot or it'll choke. And a new PSU, lol.

I think a single Fiji will suffice, same overall SP count, but more efficient, 1GB more of faster memory and a crazy wide memory bus.

Interested in clock speeds, GTX980s are hittin 1.3-1.5GHz easy.

They will be water cooled, bridgeless Xfire abd support all the new SuperSample stuff.

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Some Unofficial/Rumored Zen x86 Specs.

16 Total Cores.
4 Modules.
4 ZenCores Per Modules

Each of 16 cores will have its own L2 cache.
Each Module will have its own L3 cache.

DDR4, PCIE3.0, HBM Support for APUs.

Some notes:
All CPUs (even Intel's) share L3 cache across the entire CPU.
Bulldozer shared L2 Cache per module, instead of per core.

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What little rumor I've read about the new AMD X86 APU product (CPU+GPU on a die), makes it seem like they've tried to "move past" Intel's current and near future products.

Now, as a practical thing, Intel will probably stay in the lead on the CPU end. But, AMD has always lead Intel on the GPU. Overall, it could turn out to be an "evenly matched fight".

I hypothesized several years ago, that by roughly 2020, AMD and Intel would be effectively "tied" and have similar performing products at similar prices (much like AMD and Nvidia do now). That "prediction" was based on the fact that normal semiconductor materials are reaching their limits -- only a few die shrinks left -- so, on paper, Intel cannot stay ahead forever.

Maybe Zen actually will "close most of the gap" with Intel. If so, fun for an AMD fan and good for most Consumers (competition is good).

"Zen" does have to be released "on time", however (nominally 2016). We'll see.


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