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#4060455 - 01/06/15 06:21 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available ***** [Re: thealx]  
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you can't guess about damage until you haven't debug_show_damage string enabled.
and laser guided missiles doesn't react on chaff anyhow. maybe it didn't cause damage when it should, but maybe you just misunderstood situation. I hope you read about warhead types?

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#4060636 - 01/07/15 09:45 AM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Quote:
The laser Hellfire is very useful against freight planes and helicopters, it can't be spoofed by countermeasures, a hit is almost certain.


So it should had been a hit especially when it was coming directly at me from 12 oclock and I was firing at it while flying directly at it from 12 oclock, head on to head on.

#4060681 - 01/07/15 01:35 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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what percentage of launched missiles doesn't cause damage to enemy helicopter?

#4062747 - 01/12/15 03:51 AM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: SKIP2008]  
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K2A is not an upgraded K-model. It is a K-model with a blast fragmentation sleeve placed around the warhead for use as an anti-personnel weapon as the tandem charge HEAT warhead in the AGM-14K is not very effective as an anti-personnel weapon. If you are going to model it then it should be a separate entry as the additional weight reduced the range and required updates to the autopilot because of the CG shift.

#4062750 - 01/12/15 04:04 AM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: CG2015]  
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The TADS seems to have a major issue with parallax in the manual mode. I have missed several Hellfire shots when using the TADS for targeting even with the crosshairs centered on the target. The range seems to be from a point behind the target but there is no way for this to happen as the target completely blocks the laser beam and there would be no first/last return issues with ranging and designation in this case. Regardless, there is no variant of a Hellfire that would detonate upon hitting chaff. All Hellfires have impact fuses and must strike a solid object for the warhead to detonate. Further, chaff would have little to no effect on the AGM-114L as the strips are not cut to a wavelength that the RF Hellfire "sees". It is also very unlikely that a radar detection system would pick up a Longbow radar since these systems are designed to detect radars that operate in different parts of the RF spectrum at much longer wavelengths.

#4062772 - 01/12/15 06:08 AM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Is it just my imagination or I haven't seen any Osprey on the Blue side after installing 1.15.2? Not even on the Blue aircraft carriers.

#4062885 - 01/12/15 02:25 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: Righteous]  
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Originally Posted By: CG2015
Is it just my imagination or I haven't seen any Osprey on the Blue side after installing 1.15.2? Not even on the Blue aircraft carriers.

any units configuration files wasn't changed, so yes - it's just a coincidence.

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The range seems to be from a point behind the target but there is no way for this to happen as the target completely blocks the laser beam and there would be no first/last return issues with ranging and designation in this case.

there is now laser beam simulation in the game (we talking about 1.15.2), so missile moving to the active target (even if it not locked by you - when you pointing on some object it became active target) or locked point on the ground. missile can miss if it had unstable trajectory before impact (inaccurate guidance or problems in the flight path calculation) or you just moved sight away from target (target gates are disappeared or flickering) and missile lost it for a moment. I can only recommend to not use manual guidance - it doesn't works properly. yet.

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#4063040 - 01/12/15 07:21 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Righteous did you tried my latest release? If so thank you, i hope that the AGM114K2A will be added as a separate Hellfire II variant, but it don't depends from me. Can you give me more informations about this missile (weight, min/max range) i'll really appreciate it. There's another GWUT ready after some tests.

#4063071 - 01/12/15 08:43 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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The K2A is also called Special K and was fielded in response to a need to engage personnel setting up IEDs and ambushes. The AGM-114F and AGM-114K have HEAT warheads that are not very effective against personnel in the open. Regardless, the AGM-114K2A weighs about 103 pounds, because of the fragmentation sleeve, which is three or four pounds more than AGM-114K (99-100) and about four pounds less than AGM-114L (106-108). The variances are the result of different weights given in different sources. The range would be affected by the increased weight of the missile, however, there may be changes to the autopilot to help reduce this. Minimum range would probably not be affected much as this is a function of the laser designator so long as the target is with 5 degrees of the nose but maximum range may drop from 500 to 1000 meters depending on launch mode and environmental conditions.

#4063133 - 01/12/15 10:21 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Thank you very much Righteous, i've made some changes i hope you and the other guys will appreciate them:
1152: Changed AGM114K weight and AGM11R can now be launched from higher altitude than other hellfire variants like in real life.

1153:AGM114K2A is heavier and max range decreased, updated TOW,VIKHR,ATAKA and SHTURM.

http://www.filedropper.com/1152gwut


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#4063286 - 01/13/15 05:59 AM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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The primary difference with AGM-114R is that the autopilot takes more factors into account when launched. The older variants did not take platform altitude or velocity into account when launched. The autopilot flew a programmed path based upon launch mode and target range which resulted in increasing minimum range based upon platform height above the target. This means that the AGM-114R may not climb after launch if fired from a UAV thus reducing the minimum range.

#4063397 - 01/13/15 02:44 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Hi Righteous, i reduced AGM114R min range and increased effective range: http://www.filedropper.com/1153gwut

#4066575 - 01/20/15 02:50 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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I was in a KA-52, flying not more than 20 m off the ground, looking for a firing position on enemy armor and I got shot down by a Kiowa.

My warning system didn't even sound. My co pilot said nothing.

There is no way a little Kiowa can shoot me down!

#4066585 - 01/20/15 03:02 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Maybe im wrong but Kiowa has only optical targetting systems,and because of this you not get any warning(I think...) noob.... duck wink

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#4066589 - 01/20/15 03:05 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Mine question: did kiowa dont have chaff and flares anymore?

#4066596 - 01/20/15 03:14 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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little Kiowa has laser guided missiles. I can't confirm it - works fine for me, MFD switched to threat page and sound caution appears. do you use modified GWUT?

#4066597 - 01/20/15 03:16 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Originally Posted By: Soczkien
Mine question: did kiowa dont have chaff and flares anymore?

no, they have no.

#4066599 - 01/20/15 03:23 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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Originally Posted By: thealx
little Kiowa has laser guided missiles. I can't confirm it - works fine for me, MFD switched to threat page and sound caution appears. do you use modified GWUT?


I am using GWUT1152.CSV that 1.15.2 FIX installed by default.

I didn't make any changes to it and in the EECH.ini file, it does says GWUT1152.CSV is enabled.

#4066605 - 01/20/15 03:30 PM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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ok, so it should work. warning system reacts on all types of missiles, only difference - it will not work for radar guided missiles if radar warning system is damaged (not our case). maybe you was killed by coincidence - original target was your wingman, but after LOS was lost, enemy switched on you. this is war, everything can happen =)

#4066944 - 01/21/15 06:03 AM Re: EECH 1.15.2 update available [Re: thealx]  
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They are going to demote me back to Comrade Corporal and take away The Order Of Lenin medal from me for losing one of Motherland's precious helicopters that was paid for by the Comrade Citizens of the Great Soviet Union.

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