#4062418 - 01/11/15 05:36 AM
Re: How do you hit anything with bombs?
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[edit to delete off topic response]
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#4062477 - 01/11/15 12:02 PM
Re: How do you hit anything with bombs?
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Also, do keep in mind that actual WWI bombing from aeroplanes was quite inaccurate and generally ineffective and caused far more damage to local moral than it did to any specific ground targets. So, if you are not putting much of anything on what you are actually aiming at, you can take comfort in the fact that you are at least being historically accurate.
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#4062526 - 01/11/15 03:19 PM
Re: How do you hit anything with bombs?
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If not flight leader, when closing on target I fly in a position just behind my leader and as soon as I hear the sound of his bombs I drop mine. I sometimes hit something.
If you don't mind using crutches, I found also that with the TAC on 1.1 mile / 2 km when at usual bombing altitudes around 9000/10.000 ft I had to drop when target was halfway down the TAC to expect making some hits (not every time ...)
As said above I'm not too worried if I miss most of the time because I know bombing was historically very inaccurate at these altitudes.
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#4062962 - 01/12/15 04:02 PM
Re: How do you hit anything with bombs?
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Although not authentic, you could switch to invisible cockpit view then look forward and down using your TrackIR whilst still piloting the aircraft. Just a thought
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#4063033 - 01/12/15 07:08 PM
Re: How do you hit anything with bombs?
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Sandbagger might actually have a reasonable suggestion. While real WWI aircraft weren't transparent it would not have been impossible to look directly beneath them (nothing wrong with the TIR profile, Duke, a limitation in the game...I can't either). I can assure you from my experience spotting parachutists that one does not have to have one's head much (we're talking inches, here) past the side of one's aircraft to see not only directly below but, in fact significantly to the opposite side of said aircraft at 2,000 feet, much less 10,000. I'm sure it was doable in WWI and it should be in WOFF.
Hasse is absolutely correct about the Gotha and DFW. In fact, they may be too accurate. Regardless of altitude, airspeed or just about anything else that should affect your bomb's point of impact, if you release with your intended target dead center it's a hit. (One trick I've employed to identify this magic spot is putting three HUD instruments up very close to the center of my screen, one to either side and one slightly below to provide a clear view of the target as I approach it.)
In the end, OldHat, the compromise I use is a sort of early version of pop-up bombing. I choose an approach that is likely undefended or lightly defended, come in at top speed and treetop level to give any ground gunners limited opportunity at scoring a significant hit, and at the last moment I climb to 100-200 feet (not measured, just pull back on the stick until I think I'm clear) to avoid getting hit by the blast, drop everything when I think I'm over the target, and then drop back down and hug the ground until I'm out of small arms range.
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#4063050 - 01/12/15 07:42 PM
Re: How do you hit anything with bombs?
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I almost forgot the most important thing...PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!! Pick out a bombed-out building, small copse of trees or the house of that farmer who walked in on you and his daughter carrying on in the hayloft and just go nuts. The only difference between that and real life WWI (besides improvising the target) is that we don't have dummy bombs for scoring.
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#4063458 - 01/13/15 05:47 PM
Re: How do you hit anything with bombs?
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busdriver, first let me say that I'm not sure why you deleted your response. I thought you were spot on. Using offset landmarks is a legitimate method of establishing your release point. It just takes a lot of practice, that's all. No big deal for the real guys for whom it's their job and therefore they have the whole day, day after day, to devote to its perfection. And then there's the problem with lining up when your engine obscures the horizon in a BE, RE or most any of the German two-seaters. Actually it's the lining up aspect to which I was referring in my post. I don't do badly on the range from altitude, and I've even hit a hangar or two in my time. But mostly what I do is provide the gophers living right or left of my intended targets with skylights and new back doors. To your question, as a jumpmaster with my head outside the aircraft. After all, in an enclosed cockpit with the plexiglass coming straight up fom the sides of the aircraft it's impossible to see straight down in level flight. However, these are open cockpit aircraft and not subject to that restraint. Admittedly, I was able to get my head (and shoulders, and sometimes torso...heck, I was leaning out over the jump platform of a C-130 with nothing officially inside the aircraft besides my hands several times) much farther outside the limits of the aircraft than a pilot who is buckled in could. But if you can get your eyes even a couple inches past the edge the angle will allow you to see directly below as low as possibly 100 feet. Look at an OV-10. It's not a design flaw that the canopy bows out on the sides. It's to allow for better downward visibility. Besides all that, I believe the bombing was done, in two-seaters at least, by the gunner/observer and not by the pilot. And he would be free to lean out as far as he wanted and his harness (if he wore one) allowed. Oh, and the other part of your question: Cessna's 172-206, DC-3, Twin Otter, CH-3, UH-1, C-7, -123, -130, -141 (jumpmaster only, not at the controls of any...I like to say I prefer arranging my own landings ). There may have been others, it's been a while.
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