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#4049788 - 12/12/14 11:11 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Nate]  
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Originally Posted By: Nate
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I wonder how will the ED guys "justify" the presence of BF-109Ks and FW-190Ds in Normandy?


Don't think they need to "Justify" it, it isn't planned to be the only WW2 map IIRC.

Nate


Ok, I'll rephrase my question:

- What axis planes will ED plan to use on the Normandy map?

I'm asking this because using the FW-190D and/or the BF-109K in a Normandy map/scenario makes almost the same sense as for example using an A6M Zero in that same map/scenario (hence my suggestion of making a Bulge map instead or before the Normandy map).

#4049916 - 12/13/14 09:09 AM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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Let's see what they come up with. We know they're looking at southern England and northern France here.

What I'd like to see is this map being updated in future to include more eastern territories so that you can have proper bomber escort missions to Germany. For example, I'd love to have missions with bombers taking of from southern England and escort them in Spitfires, P-51s and P-47s etc. I like missions with long flights, so the bigger the map the better. If I have to pay for map expansions in future that's fine. I'd prefer that to several separate maps.

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#4050119 - 12/13/14 08:44 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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Well, bigger maps sound fine, but even just France will work. You really don't want to do an escort mission to Germany from England in real time. They lasted 6 to 8 hours.
I'll be happy with whatever they put out, I suppose. But, damn, I wish they'd stop being so A.D.D with this stuff and settle on some sort of timeframe. I would have preferred the last few months of the war. I'd like to fly an A-26. It's a favorite of mine.


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#4050348 - 12/14/14 12:26 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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Originally Posted By: Pooch
Well, bigger maps sound fine, but even just France will work. You really don't want to do an escort mission to Germany from England in real time. They lasted 6 to 8 hours.
I'll be happy with whatever they put out, I suppose. But, damn, I wish they'd stop being so A.D.D with this stuff and settle on some sort of timeframe. I would have preferred the last few months of the war. I'd like to fly an A-26. It's a favorite of mine.


The problem is that the "last few months of the war" is incompatible with a map of (just) France.
For the last few months of the war we'll need for the sake of minimal historical realism a map that includes Germany (the western part at least) and should also include Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg and of course some of the eastern parts of France, or resuming (and repeating myself again) the ideal map for many reasons (also mentioned some of them before) would IMO be the Buldge.

But I agree with you that ED should stick to a timeframe when developing new aircraft and new scenarios. And ED should develop new aircraft and new scenario as a joint effort and not as a separate effort (which is ED's current trend) since without a joint effort we end up having stuff such as F-86F on a modern Caucasus map or BF-109K on a Normandy map which makes almost the same sense as having an age of sail (war)ship on Mars!
WWII being a time of tremendous and quick developments in military technologies means that WWII had very different timeframes and what ED is developing in terms of flyable aircraft only fits in the "last few months of the war" timeframe.

I also agree with that the A-26 would rock and it's also a favourite of mine! thumbsup
And another favourite of mine would be the B-26. IMO attack or tactical bombers such as the A-26, B-26 or the B-25 would IMO be a much better idea than the B-17 for the DCS WWII scenario because most of us already now that the DCS maps are and will be small (just look at the current Caucasus map and the future/planned Normandy and Hormuz maps) and therefore more suitable for tactical operation and definitely not well suitable for strategic operations.

To model the B-17 missions and associated escort missions you would need a map that includes at least the southern part of England (London and every part of England south of London) and the entire countries of France and Germany and all between. And as we already know such big maps are not being planned by ED.

#4050370 - 12/14/14 01:40 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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Dear God, an A-26! Reckon it'd at least be very friendly for people without TIR; Certainly no need to look out to the sides unless you want to stare at a large engine biggrin

#4050663 - 12/15/14 03:24 AM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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"The problem is that the "last few months of the war" is incompatible with a map of (just) France.
For the last few months of the war we'll need for the sake of minimal historical realism a map that includes Germany (the western part at least) and should also include Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg and of course some of the eastern parts of France, or resuming (and repeating myself again) the ideal map for many reasons (also mentioned some of them before) would IMO be the Buldge."

Yeah, I know. That's actually what I meant. That I would rather they'd have taken the late war route, not just with airframes, but with the terrain also. But they're going with France. Okay. What the hell. At least the airplanes they're building are nicely made.


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#4056999 - 12/29/14 12:47 AM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: scrim]  
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Originally Posted By: Pooch
I think I was misunderstood. What I meant was, that it wasn't going to happen in December. I know it's on the way. And nah...I didn't get the '109. I'd rather shoot the sucker down!! Lol!!!!!


Understood...

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Has there been any word on the P-40? Is it still to be released this month?


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Originally Posted By: Nate
Originally Posted By: ricnunes
I wonder how will the ED guys "justify" the presence of BF-109Ks and FW-190Ds in Normandy?


Don't think they need to "Justify" it, it isn't planned to be the only WW2 map IIRC.
Nate


Was that Ilya's plan osr is that ED's plan. I though they werent going to go for a full blown WWII sim.. just one WWII era map with some content.. has that changed or was there always a plan afoot to expand once the took over from DCS WWII?


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#4057020 - 12/29/14 02:17 AM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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VEAO is doing a P-40. It was scheduled for December, but IIRC it's postponed to February. I'm gonna buy that one just for the AVG/Flying Tigers skin I'm assuming will come along with it biggrin

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If you have a 'Normandy' map. you just have to put a Typhoon on it!

#4059398 - 01/03/15 09:49 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: scrim]  
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Originally Posted By: scrim
VEAO is doing a P-40. It was scheduled for December, but IIRC it's postponed to February. I'm gonna buy that one just for the AVG/Flying Tigers skin I'm assuming will come along with it biggrin


Pfft.. I'd buy it just because... The P-40 is the plane that started a lot of this for me.. My older cousin (by 8 years) had a Cox P-40.. I used to play with it when he wasn't lookong...


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#4060027 - 01/05/15 03:16 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Bearcat99]  
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Originally Posted By: Bearcat99
I used to play with it when he wasn't lookong...




Something tells me this statement applies to more than just a toy P-40...



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#4062698 - 01/12/15 12:09 AM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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I doubt it will be a 25lb boost Spitfire but that would be the appropriate Spitfire for late 1944.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4062795 - 01/12/15 09:47 AM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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I was a bit disappointed with the aircraft sets to be honest, too. I love the Spit and the Mustang but a 109K and a D9 seems a little crazy. I'd have gone for a 109G6 or G14 and an A8 - it just seems more fitting.

Honestly, it makes me wonder if the 109K and D9 were chosen for the axis fans who get a hard-on for the later models, rather than what would've been more appropriate.

Isn't the P-51 model a very late war version, though? I can't remember!

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P-51D showed up in early 1944. Late 1944 P-51Ds were using 72" boost.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4063486 - 01/13/15 07:39 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted By: KraziKanuK
I doubt it will be a 25lb boost Spitfire but that would be the appropriate Spitfire for late 1944.


It has been mentioned in the forums that it will be a +25 lbs MkIX Spit.

#4064228 - 01/15/15 02:06 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Hellfire257]  
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Originally Posted By: Hellfire257
I was a bit disappointed with the aircraft sets to be honest, too. I love the Spit and the Mustang but a 109K and a D9 seems a little crazy. I'd have gone for a 109G6 or G14 and an A8 - it just seems more fitting.

Honestly, it makes me wonder if the 109K and D9 were chosen for the axis fans who get a hard-on for the later models, rather than what would've been more appropriate.

Isn't the P-51 model a very late war version, though? I can't remember!


I agree, the model choices and map location have always made me say "Hmmmm", but Ilya works/ed in mysterious ways... so ED kinda inherited what we have. I do think though that other variants could be revisited much easier now with these aircraft in the sim, ED has data on a few different variants, I hope we see an Anton, or Gwhatever at some point... heck I would love to have a DCS 109E, just to compare it to the K (I think VEAO is planning an E)

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#4064640 - 01/16/15 02:26 PM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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I think Ilya picked his plane set on what people liked and the theater on what he liked and never bothered to see if they matched exactly. Typical laser focus on details without seeing the big picture for him.



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#4065045 - 01/17/15 11:48 AM Re: No Word On The Spitfire [Re: Pooch]  
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I like the choice of the Dora and Kurfurst very much, although I know that they were not available on D-Day. But they are a better match for the Mustang in dogfights and after all they were there a few months after D-Day. And you don’t find them so often in simulations so to have these high-fidelity models is very fortunate for me. If you want complete historical accuracy the G and A should have been there, but ah well, a sim is for fun. And it gives us the opportunity to technically compare these interesting planes, who fought against each other, although not on D-Day. So I can understand both the proponents and opponents of the D and K, but I am firmly on the proponents side. And to ‘swear in the church’ as we say in Holland, I am eagerly waiting for the 262 (haven’t heard about it lately) although that plane did not appear at D-Day either.

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I thought a sim was supposed to simulate reality, not just gather the most populair planes and thus create a fictional scenario?

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