Look guys.. can we just seriously.. just dump all the conspiracy theories and all that BS. Cause that is what it is.. it's BS. There was never any planned conspiracy to keep criticism from the BoS forums.. and this cadre of paid folks to promote the sim was at the most two guys.. and we can see how effective they were.

I just don't get it. Why in the world does this always have to boil down to an us vs them, either or, my way or the highway kind of equation? I don't get this crap guys...

There was never an organized concerted effort to stifle criticism of BoS on he BoS forums. You guys can think what you want to but that was never the case. Locked and deleted threads at BoS were always to just keep the crap from getting out of hand..

Why can't we just talk about this thing we do without the other crap? If we were all sitting around in a bar having a beer we would be much more civil and respectful even of we disagreed..... Why does one guy thinking that BoS is a decent product make him a "fanboi" or a paid promoter? That crap is so insulting... Why does a guy who happens to think that CoD is the best thing since sliced bread .. have to be considered a hater... ?

Why can't we all just be more mindful of how we post and not take any of this crap so dadgummed personal.

What in the hell gives you or anyone else in this thtreead the right to just jump on folks who come here.. because they just signed up and happen to think BoS is less than the PoS you think it is? What gives you that right?

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The proof is already provided. ~

Hit-sounds working for everyone yet?.

Exactly! Would Cliffs of Dover have fared better if 1C had policed their own forum better? It's one thing for a new sim to have problems. But letting hundreds of angry people vent crap all over your forum unfettered is not going to help.

I'd take a simplified yet convincing AI and lots of aircraft in the air over "Real" AI and 15 aircraft in the air any day.

no brainer for me.

SD

Hit sounds work fine

Oh, I should probably let you know that 12,000 objects aren't even being deactivated in those missions, by the way. The only thing being deactivated when no one is within a 6km radius is the ~300-350 AAA batteries at various bases.

So your point is absolutely moot anyway.

Hit sounds work fine

Yes the gems keep coming from Sharpe, not only does he believe team fusion is destroying the flight simulation genre, but he also believes CLOD would have been successful if the forums had been, not moderated, but policed better.

Keep 'em coming

No, they dont.

http:/il2sturmovik.com/topic/12589-no-bullet-impact-feedback/

Also, it has not even been considered a "bug" yet. Get your facts strait.

Exactly. Why can't they just go to the main BOS section here at SimHQ and promote the sim there? Instead…they come into the [b]EXTENDED DISCUSSION forum where the topics are about the sim and what it's missing.[/b] Basically…they come in here to pick fights with everyone and tell them they are wrong…that is not promoting the sim my friend…if they really want to promote the sim they can go into the main forums and post some screenies, do some AAR's or other positive stuff.

I think you obviously know the difference…they are not here to promote the sim…they are here to defend it. The reason they don't post screeinies or have some awesome AAR's to share is possibly because they have never played it that much.
Can you see the difference Bearcat?

But you do Bearcat, you do argue, you do get insulted just as you insult others here. But the problem is that when someone disagrees with you or the other supporters that come here with a mission to convert the "BOS Detractors" you are confronted with the reality of the concrete deficiencies in BOS. It seems you can't stand the fact that someone will write about the deficiencies in BOS, comparing them to long agreed upon Customer appreciated proponents that make up a Good Flight Sim that actually makes the paying Customer happy and gives enjoyment from using the product. It is funny, every time the BOS supporters leave the SHQ BOS threads here alone, it gets quiet and hardly any posting is going on, but as soon as you guys poke your head in here the thread posting goes wild.
Why does that happen? Because their are people here that are just as adamant about their dissatisfaction with BOS as you are adamant about your satisfaction with BOS. The Solutiion? Maybe you should accept that there are people that Love BOS and that their are people that Dislike BOS. Let it be at that and don't feel that you need to convince everyone otherwise for the Good of the genre. Be content that over at the Official BOS Forums that everything looks very good and that BOS is portrayed as a good product pretty much.

Let's stop using the derogatory terms, such as "Fanboys" / "Fanbois" and "Haters" to describe members. It lowers the conversation, and is unnecessary.

Wouldn't it be nice to come and share your opinion good and bad about a game without being told to "Either suck it up and get over it or be gone." or "If you don't like the sim then GO AWAY" and thats your choice of text size and bold font - something considered amongst internet users to be shouting and rather rude behaviour, so when you shout GO AWAY or SUCK IT UP and BE GONE that is not getting personal? That's the experience shared by growing numbers of flight sim fans from the official forums and you wonder why they might chose to come here to air their criticisms of a game? Are you not being "dadgummed personal"?

How about when you tell those flight sim fans to "BE GONE" and t "GO AWAY" that they come here only to find you come here and start a thread entitled "All this slagging of BoS?? Really..!" and tell the members here that "BoS is it.. and it is a DAMN GOOD sim..<snip>..Anyone who can't see that is either blind or in denial." and to "Grow up. Suck it up." you called people idiots or you try to make out that criticism is just people making 'drama' a word used to try and make their criticism sound silly and unimportant - looks a lot like the "us vs them" is in your head. This is the same kind of behaviour that would get you banned on the official forums.

The uneven moderation is clear to see, I sent examples to the administrator after I was banned for using the word "silly" to describe the use of someone's smiley - someone who happened to be an ardent supporter of BoS back then. That was deemed to be "aggressive". Two members were taken to the USS Hornet, one of them was since revealed as accepting enticements to post positive comments and combat negative views, they both posted in a manner that others saw themselves banned for, one of them continues to post unimpeded by the moderation team in a way that would see others banned. Another person was seen admitting to receiving payments on a chat log in Steam and then there are the other enticements such as the Dserver lottery, when one group lost access it was not a surprise to see the next group had been and continue to post positive comments else they may find they end up the same way as the last lot when they lost access for daring to post some minor criticism.

One supporter a day before I was banned dropped the F-bomb in a thread and didn't receive so much as a slap on the wrist. Another member who lets says posts on a more positive not used the f-word in a post and is still able to post, it seems that the moderators must have seen it as it was moved from the general forum to the off topic forum judging by one of the posters comments asking why it was in the general discussion forum. That's just a few off the top of my head, there are plenty more examples of why more and more members complain about the banning of critics and they way critical posts are removed or shunted to a quiet sub forum. We all must be wrong then.

Gawd, what a troll thread, right from the first post.

Not for everyone it seems, they don't work on mine either and I've tried changing the sound from 7.1, 5.1 to stereo with no luck. It was reported on the official forums a while ago by other users and Jason responded saying "thanks for the report, I'll look into it"....no wait he didn't he responded sarcastically "I hear hit sounds in SP just fine. Always have. Posts like this baffle me to be honest."

I hope BoS has a little more life, because I really do love reading the [vague yet provocative reference to "someone" deleted]

There is carpet bombing mentality among the BoS proponents

It's as if they think that saturation bombing of the SimHQ forums will somehow change actual experiences with the application.

What comes to mind is one definition of Insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result

Oh well.....the actual play within the game seems strangely impervious to this pro-BoS carpet bombing campaign