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#4050658 - 12/15/14 03:05 AM Hostage situation in Sydney  
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-30474089

Started about 2 hours ago I think - couldn't find a properly timestamped news story to confirm that.

Also, suspicious package at the Opera House.

Given the flag with Arabic writing, please take the PWEC to where it belongs.

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#4050664 - 12/15/14 03:25 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.

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#4050703 - 12/15/14 04:56 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Started about 5-6 hours ago and good luck keeping this out of the PWEC. There is already a thread there.


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#4050705 - 12/15/14 05:17 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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It began at 0945 local time.


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#4050721 - 12/15/14 06:06 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Thanks, Dart! PWEC!

#4050728 - 12/15/14 06:26 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Religion of terrorism events/topics = PWEC


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#4050733 - 12/15/14 06:45 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Not everyone wants to read the hate and as of the time of my OP it wasn't considered a terrorist event. If it has been since then go ahead & delete or lock this thread.

I don't look at PWEC a lot (and only when I'm going through the Active Topics search thingy) so I didn't notice the wonderfully titled thread over there.

#4050735 - 12/15/14 06:52 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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the article/event itself is an example of hate ..... so you're saying it's ok to have the hate here ?


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#4050737 - 12/15/14 06:59 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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From what I read on that link at the time of my post there was no conclusive evidence that it was a hate crime (most likely it is but since they hadn't talked to the hostage taker yet maybe the guy was just generically crazy and not a religious zealot of some kind).

How is the article itself an example of hate? Please point out specific excerpts as I must be blind.

Also, I did not say it's OK to have hate speech anywhere and in retrospect perhaps I should have used the word inflammatory or a term like emotionally charged instead of hate.

My point is that sometimes I just want to know the facts without the emotional content - it makes for faster reading.

#4050738 - 12/15/14 07:05 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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"People inside the cafe have been seen holding up a black flag with Arabic writing at the window" ...... under the threat of some weapon likely

yep ..... looks like some kind of hate to me and its controversial .....this has PWEC written all over it

I'll bet you a 6 pack beer it gets moved to PWEC


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#4050739 - 12/15/14 07:07 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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What does it translate to? I haven't seen a translation of it.

#4050741 - 12/15/14 07:12 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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translated it means ...."please help ....we belong in Community Hall and not with this guy"


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#4050749 - 12/15/14 07:38 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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LOL and thank you for making my point - it's all assumption. It's most likely right but still assumption.

Edit 1: Oh, and nice edit on your earlier post. Next time I'll be sure to do a quote wink

Edit 2: And no I won't take the bet - Dart's post already swings the odds in your favor smile

Last edited by kadiir; 12/15/14 07:44 AM.
#4050759 - 12/15/14 09:16 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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It's a shahada flag which reads "There is no god but allah and mohammed is his prophet." It's also referred to as the black standard because of it's use by various jihadi groups. So while it's not an ISIS/ISIL/IS flag it's still used by islamic militants around the world.


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#4050769 - 12/15/14 09:38 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Thanks.

Just out of curiosity, is it only used by militants? If I remember I'll ask my Iraqi friend about it.

#4050774 - 12/15/14 09:47 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Originally Posted By: kadiir
Thanks.

Just out of curiosity, is it only used by militants? If I remember I'll ask my Iraqi friend about it.


Nope, it's not.
Every convert and Muslim will recite it. Nothing negative about it.
It's been hijacked by the mad bearded ones unfortunately, and everybody else sort of concluded it's all bad news.
Probably is bad news in this particular case.

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#4050780 - 12/15/14 10:13 AM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Thanks and agreed on the last point.

#4050805 - 12/15/14 12:19 PM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Latest I read from the BBC was that the gunman had requested being given an ISIS flag. Apparently he'd thought that one was an ISIS flag, only to read media reports that it wasn't once he'd started. Way to go...

#4050811 - 12/15/14 12:38 PM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Originally Posted By: kadiir
Not everyone wants to read the hate and as of the time of my OP it wasn't considered a terrorist event. If it has been since then go ahead & delete or lock this thread.

I don't look at PWEC a lot (and only when I'm going through the Active Topics search thingy) so I didn't notice the wonderfully titled thread over there.


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#4050812 - 12/15/14 12:44 PM Re: Hostage situation in Sydney [Re: kadiir]  
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Oh look, it's another PWEC complaint thread.

Yawn.


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