Alright. I know there are people who disagree and the decision's been made, but I need to get this off my chest.

March 1916, in a flight of 4 Bristol Scouts. We run into two Eindeckers. One takes off and two of my mates pursue, leaving me and my HA CO (Hugh Vivian Champion de Crespigny) vs. a German HA.

I fill the Eindecker with lead but overshoot. As I work my way around, de Crespigny moves in for the kill.

They collide. De Crespigny's a flamer and the German isn't much better off.

I circle the stricken planes as they fall. My CO at least is facing a hideous death, and the two planes smash into a field no more than a handful of yards from each other, billowing smoke to the heavens.

This should be a sad, sobering moment. I watched the flames. I can still see the smoke as I turn away from it. The harsh realities of war.

Yet all I can think of, is that git is probably walking away from his flaming crash right now as is the German. Sure enough, de Crespigny only suffers a light injury. He doesn't even spend any time in the hospital.

Can we please get some sort of toggle at least to turn the HAs' invulnerability off? It's an immersion killer.

I feel your pain, as much as I understand the main goal of WOFF is historical fidelity (aces die the day the really died, not before), I would love to have the possibility to make aces vulnerable. So, yes, I second CatKnights´ plea. I would still like them to perish the day they really did(elsewhere MvR would end with 150 victories!! ) but the possibility to defeat them and not seeing them again some days after is sure welcomed.

Sorry WM, I (I think Catknight too) meant they will never die (except when they actually did) even if they crash, burn, or explode in the air.

I am flying with Jasta 5 at the moment, I know beforehand that Konnecke or Mai will survive the conflict, so every mission with them is like flying with superaces that will return from death in case they crash or get shot (sometimes they do) and fight brilliantly. I am never afraid of losing them in a mission, which would be one of my goals if they could permanently die. Squadron mates who make it or not add lots to the inmersion, you grow fond of them, you take care of them, that adds to the roleplaying side of the sim.

What would be great is if someday far down the road they could add a newspaper story about the "Great Ace (insert appropriate name here) was shot down by (insert player rank and name here). Enemy Ace survives the crash to fight another day!" Have both the Ace photo and have the players profile photo show in the news story.

After all, when Aces were shot down, it did make the paper. So it would add a little glory to the player if he gets some newspaper credit for his victory.

just imagine the Ace managed to crash land and survived or jumped into a river or bales of hay, or landed on a balloon ! whatever and lived.

This doesn't bother me. And I'm absolutely sure that if the aces were killed like regular pilots, there wouldn't be many of them left after a few months of flying, and *that*, if anything, would hurt historical immersion.

Of course we all see things differently and want different things.
The point of my post was meant to say that different opinions and ideas are good and all should be welcomed and shared.
If you took it any other way then I blame myself for being clumsy with the English language. I did not think I had to explain anything
Sorry!

I hear you Hellshade, but consider how many posts we have in the "Wish List" thread...