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#4036841 - 11/17/14 12:01 AM New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane  
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My word this is a complex and detailed sim! eek

I bought the Flaming Cliffs3 and F-86F Sabre plane during DCS/steam sales. I have mucked around with the F-15C a bit, but decided that since the DCS is so complex (at least for me!) I would stick with the F-86F Real mode for now.

I plan to print out the F-86 quick start guide later this week. still trying to wrap my head around the whole gunsight cage, uncage, electrics, mechanical thingummy! smile

I did have a question about the in-cockpit zoom views. How do I get my mouse wheel to use as the zoom function in the F-86F? My mouse wheel acts as a zoom button in the F-15C, but not in the F-86F. I searched in the options settings, but cannot make sense of all of the selections.

During this search I found the F-86 HUD view which is really cool! However, when I use it there is a large map on the left side of screen. Can this map be removed from view?


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#4045467 - 12/04/14 05:15 PM Re: New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane [Re: Patrocles]  
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anyone? no one has any experience with the F-86F sabre plane views?
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#4045779 - 12/05/14 04:28 AM Re: New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane [Re: Patrocles]  
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Welcome to DCS. smile

Quite surprised that no one has answered yet! Looks like I'll need to dust off the keyboard.

Originally Posted By: Patrocles
I did have a question about the in-cockpit zoom views. How do I get my mouse wheel to use as the zoom function in the F-86F? My mouse wheel acts as a zoom button in the F-15C, but not in the F-86F. I searched in the options settings, but cannot make sense of all of the selections.

Since the F-86 is one of the "true" DCS modules, it has a clickable cockpit. In a clickable cockpit, the mouse typically defaults to a cockpit clicking mode, which makes the mouse wheel function as something to interact with knobs and rotaries as opposed to zooming and controlling the camera view. In FC3 aircraft, the default is the opposite. You can switch back and forth (in all aircraft) using LAlt+C or by double tapping the middle mouse button.

Originally Posted By: Patrocles

During this search I found the F-86 HUD view which is really cool! However, when I use it there is a large map on the left side of screen. Can this map be removed from view?


I am a little less certain here. Firstly, I assume you meant 'game mode' instead of 'real mode'. If so, I'll say first that I think many DCS players would recommend you to start in the realistic mode as soon as possible if you already plan to learn it later, otherwise you will often have to learn many things twice. This can actually make things harder to grasp in some cases. Besides, the F-86 really is a teddy bear in relative terms smile. Maybe I'm wrong here, though - I've never really used game mode and I'm simply repeating what I've heard from some over the years.

Since there's no DCS manual or training missions for the F-86 yet, things are a little less straightforward. Here are two very helpful YouTube playlists to go through if you have not already: -One- -Two-

And here's a thread from the DCS forums that contains a great deal of real documentation, if you dare: -Link-


As for the map thing, I had to take a look myself, and I'll ask: Do you mean the LAlt+F1 HUD view? If so, I believe the map you're talking about is part of the kneeboard, which can be toggled off in almost every aircraft with RShift+K (RCtrl+Up if you pick up the MiG-21bis).

Cheers!

#4045938 - 12/05/14 01:52 PM Re: New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane [Re: Izgud]  
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Originally Posted By: Izgud
Welcome to DCS. smile

Quite surprised that no one has answered yet! Looks like I'll need to dust off the keyboard.

Originally Posted By: Patrocles
I did have a question about the in-cockpit zoom views. How do I get my mouse wheel to use as the zoom function in the F-86F? My mouse wheel acts as a zoom button in the F-15C, but not in the F-86F. I searched in the options settings, but cannot make sense of all of the selections.

Since the F-86 is one of the "true" DCS modules, it has a clickable cockpit. In a clickable cockpit, the mouse typically defaults to a cockpit clicking mode, which makes the mouse wheel function as something to interact with knobs and rotaries as opposed to zooming and controlling the camera view. In FC3 aircraft, the default is the opposite. You can switch back and forth (in all aircraft) using LAlt+C or by double tapping the middle mouse button.

Originally Posted By: Patrocles

During this search I found the F-86 HUD view which is really cool! However, when I use it there is a large map on the left side of screen. Can this map be removed from view?


I am a little less certain here. Firstly, I assume you meant 'game mode' instead of 'real mode'. If so, I'll say first that I think many DCS players would recommend you to start in the realistic mode as soon as possible if you already plan to learn it later, otherwise you will often have to learn many things twice. This can actually make things harder to grasp in some cases. Besides, the F-86 really is a teddy bear in relative terms smile. Maybe I'm wrong here, though - I've never really used game mode and I'm simply repeating what I've heard from some over the years.

Since there's no DCS manual or training missions for the F-86 yet, things are a little less straightforward. Here are two very helpful YouTube playlists to go through if you have not already: -One- -Two-

And here's a thread from the DCS forums that contains a great deal of real documentation, if you dare: -Link-


As for the map thing, I had to take a look myself, and I'll ask: Do you mean the LAlt+F1 HUD view? If so, I believe the map you're talking about is part of the kneeboard, which can be toggled off in almost every aircraft with RShift+K (RCtrl+Up if you pick up the MiG-21bis).

Cheers!


Merci beaucoup!!

my word this game is complex! baby steps, baby steps. Thanks for the info and links. It will take me time to read and digest.

yes, now that I was also helped on how to trim the plane in flight I will be sticking with 'real mode'
cheers!
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#4046328 - 12/06/14 12:11 AM Re: New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane [Re: Patrocles]  
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I've been watching Bunyaps great "test flight series" and have a couple of questions:
Has the F-86 module been "debugged" enough to where it's pretty much playable?
Have there been any additions to the training missions section?
How about added missions and (or) campaigns?

#4046706 - 12/06/14 06:19 PM Re: New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane [Re: Patrocles]  
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I agree. I would tell anyone buying this to NOT use game mode. So much time and effort has been used to make this the most realistic F-86 simulator, yet. Why buy it and then waste your time playing World of Planes?
Learn it the right way. It's so much more rewarding when you bag your first MiG in realistic mode.


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#4046874 - 12/07/14 02:27 AM Re: New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane [Re: Patrocles]  
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Where is the full F-86 manual? All I can find is the quick start guide.

#4046898 - 12/07/14 04:24 AM Re: New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane [Re: Patrocles]  
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It's not out yet. Here's a real one (E model, not F).
http://aviationshoppe.com/manuals/f-86_flight_manual/f-86.html?pageNumber=1

#4046907 - 12/07/14 05:10 AM Re: New to DCS and F-86F Sabre Plane [Re: Patrocles]  
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