#4034851 - 11/12/14 12:15 AM
Re: Interstellar
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I watched yesterday. A rather good movie indeedy. But one part made be laugh a little, it was the array of control panels behind Matthew McConaughey in one scene. The movie is set something like fifty or sixty or so years from now, but the panels on the wall behind him are from 1960's Boeings. I recognise the pressurisation panel from a 727 I think. There's also the latches that lock the galley trolleys in place, on the edge of the bench, they are from airliners as well.
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#4036106 - 11/15/14 12:43 AM
Re: Interstellar
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I noticed it too Maybe they used a scrapped Boeing cockpit to make one of the spaceship sets. Really, really liked the movie. Best sci-fi in years! And it was not just once that I thought of 2001 while watching it. TARS reminded me of the monolith, and I thought "Open the pod bay doors, HAL" to myself a couple of times
In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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#4036475 - 11/16/14 12:08 AM
Re: Interstellar
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Saw it tonight w my kid. Very Space Odd w/out the Kubrick touch, and needed a better villian. But good diversion. Questions We were left with:
- why did MM not hang out w his long lost dying daughter more than a few minutes after missing her desperately. For 124 years. There was no rush to find AH again. After all, years for him was hours for AH.
- why was AH still alone out there when all they had to do was stop playing baseball on Saturn and go get her?
- if the tessaract was a link to Murphy's room, how could MM keep influencing and she keep decoding the watch's second hand back at the lab?
No, they weren't my only questions just the ones bugging me most!
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#4036666 - 11/16/14 04:17 PM
Re: Interstellar
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I saw it yesterday and thought the first 2/3rds was really good, but that it fell apart after that. To add to Heinkill's questions: Why did the black hole send Coop to his daughter's room, and then, why was it only behind the bookcase? Just seemed like an arbitrary thing to happen. If he could end up behind the bookcase, why not in the room? And why could he affect the room at all? Just seemed like a way to add something odd at the beginning that people would wonder about through the film, but with a not-very-good explanation.
Also, how did Anne Hathaway's character land on the planet? I thought they used up all the shuttles and fuel.
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#4037413 - 11/18/14 04:12 AM
Re: Interstellar
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I noticed it too Maybe they used a scrapped Boeing cockpit to make one of the spaceship sets. Really, really liked the movie. Best sci-fi in years! And it was not just once that I thought of 2001 while watching it. TARS reminded me of the monolith, and I thought "Open the pod bay doors, HAL" to myself a couple of times IIRC, TARS actually made a joke about that.
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#4037444 - 11/18/14 07:41 AM
Re: Interstellar
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I recognise the pressurisation panel from a 727 I think. In the last Riddick movie a ship had an X-52 for stick and throttle controls. LOL That's how you make a budget work! It looks the part, cheap to buy...go for it.
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#4037527 - 11/18/14 02:20 PM
Re: Interstellar
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I'll just go and watch it and do what others do...watch it as a movie and be entertained
I agree. Loved the movie.
In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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#4037546 - 11/18/14 02:54 PM
Re: Interstellar
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Get yer spoilers here: TARS talks about sending the astronauts out through an open airlock, a tip of the hat in a sort of inverted situation to 2001, where Bowman enters Discovery through the air lock.
In another play on 2001, TARS rescues Anne H. from the waterworld by carrying her towards the shuttle in "his" arms. This looks reminiscent of 2001 where Poole is lying in the arms of the pod.
Dr. Mann disassembles Kipp and claims he malfunctioned while it was the biological entity that failed. This is a complete reversal of the roles in 2001 where HAL malfunctions and Bowman deactivates him.
The revival of Cooper on board the space habitat reminds me of Poole being revived in 3001. And a couple of my interpretations on how, why and what: Why was Anne H. not brought onboard the same space habitat that rescues Cooper? Because AH went to the third planet (a coincidence that it is the third?), while Cooper went in the general direction of Earth.
They had two shuttles, one for Anne H, and one for Kipp and Coop.
Why Cooper had to be behind the bookshelf: Because he could not appear twice in the same dimension, he had to appear in the 5th dimension in the tesseract. The way I interpreted it, Murph must have taken down note on the actions of the watch, while in her room, or maybe even remembered some of it, and then gone to the lab.
'Tis in my mind however a bit of a stretch of the old imagination to believe that these presumably complex equations could be morsed through, "jus' like that"
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#4037549 - 11/18/14 03:02 PM
Re: Interstellar
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And just one more observation: Oh and another 2001 revisitation: the descent into the tesseract looks very similar to the descent through 2001's Stargate
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#4037574 - 11/18/14 03:34 PM
Re: Interstellar
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When Nolan loved 2001, it wasn't just unavoidable it was deliberate.
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#4037917 - 11/19/14 04:00 PM
Re: Interstellar
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For the mathematically inclined If MM was two months recovering on Saturn, how much older was he than AH when he finally made it back to her For those who wonder Who was NASA planning would fly the mission if MM didn't get the message from himself. The bots? If so, why did they even need the humans?
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#4037947 - 11/19/14 05:30 PM
Re: Interstellar
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Saw it on IMAX last night and loved it.
Truly a wonderful audiovisual treat. Some of the transitions were just beautiful, as a post-production artist this must have been a joy to work on!
Random observation: in some of the trailers, I'm sure you saw Coop's ship leaving above the corn fields. You don't see that in the film but that transition (Murph's room, to the countdown, to the ship) was spectacular. Proper seat-shaking audio in the theatre too.
And the "silent" space exterior shots were awesome, too.
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#4038662 - 11/20/14 10:43 PM
Re: Interstellar
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that transition (Murph's room, to the countdown, to the ship) was spectacular. Proper seat-shaking audio in the theatre too.
I got chills from that part!
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#4038871 - 11/21/14 12:57 PM
Re: Interstellar
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[quote=HeinKill]For the mathematically inclined If MM was two months recovering on Saturn, how much older was he than AH when he finally made it back to her For those who wonder This was troubling me somewhat, couldn't stop thinking about all sorts of scenarios.I'm not sure how much older he was, obviously for him he was 2 months older but I may be thinking too hard about the question. Lol. 7 years on Earth for MM = 1 hour for AH. 1 year on Earth MM = 8.57 mins for AH. 2 months on Earth MM = 1.42 mins for AH
I think that only 1.42 mins have passed for AH by the time MM comes back for her, or have I totally got this wrong? Great film though. Mick.
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#4039601 - 11/23/14 12:59 AM
Re: Interstellar
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When Nolan loved 2001, it wasn't just unavoidable it was deliberate. Absolutely. My spontaneous reaction to Interstellar was that it was actually some sort of a very loose remake of 2001. The visual cues were there, docking rotating spaceships to music close enough to "classical", the hibernation of astronauts, the shape and look of the robots, trippy wormhole travels. Then the story elements and dialog: The referential jokes that it cracked, travel to one of the solar system's gas giant to investigate a mysterious object that turns out to be a wormhole, the transformation of the character. If we can say one thing about Nolan films, it is that they are made with deliberation. So these things aren't accidental or "somewhat unavoidable", they are at the very least nods to THE masterpiece of science-fiction film that so far has withstood the test of time (and probably will for another fifty years). Yes, there were some plot holes, but none that bothered me too much. Yes, the science in the movie is only "not junk" as long as it doesn't stand in the way of the storytelling. But that made the film "not worse", it arguably made it a better effort at telling its story. Since I learned about the theory of relativity and the oddities of quantum mechanics in my youth and of the power of computers to render pretty much everything that is imaginable I have waited for some of the visuals that we finally got to watch in this film. For that alone I am thankful. As far as the time travel is concerned, I think that the "circular paradox" is the most adequate kind of story that you can tell in a film (Interstellar, 12 Monkeys, Terminator, Back to the Future). The alternative is about "repairing your timeline" (Back to the Future II, Star Trek IV) but it doesn't work quite so well unless the characters and the original world are already established so that the audience can relate to the protagonist's desire to "return to normalcy" (so it may not be such a big surprise that the more successful installations of this formula were sequel films). Also, it was intellectually more satisfying than some mysterious race of benevolent aliens that never show up in person except during the wormhole jump that reveal themselves at the end of the film as a kind of deus ex machina. I love the film. It took its time to develop the characters, at no point did I become bored or felt that they should have cut a certain scene. It neatly falls into the tradition of science-fiction films that don't rely on overwhelming special effects and which maintain suspense without resorting to lots of violence or explosions. Casting Matt Damon as a traitorous coward was genius. Revealing Michael Caine's character as a rather cold-hearted technocrat to get his "Plan B" rolling I also found a rather clever play against audience expectations.
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#4039610 - 11/23/14 01:43 AM
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London-based astrophysics expert Dr. Roberto Trotta has already done the work in a Guardian article which unravels the good, the bad and the plain stupid pseudo-science in the film. Link His first main point of objection is that the water planet doesn't have the mass necessary to cause the kind of time dilation. That's unfair criticism. The planet itself is said to be very deep down of the black hole's gravity well. So it's not the planetary mass, it's that of the nearby black hole. (What kind of a supermassive BH would be needed to dilate time by a factor of 61,360 relative to Earth without ripping the planet apart by tidal forces remains to be calculated, and I agree with de Grasse Tyson that under no circumstances I would investigate a planet for settlement that circles close to a black hole (even if it were to be much smaller), not even if the planed featured liquid water ... but for reasons OTHER than shown in the film, mainly the radiation levels.) What's even worse is that Dr. Trotta then goes on to say that the planet would have been ripped apart by tidal forces, so he can't even claim that he forgot about this part. What he doesn't investigate is whether a VERY LARGE (supermassive) black hole might not distort spacetime enough beyond the accretion disk range where a planet might still hold together. Granted, this might cause other problems, but to me Dr. Trotta criticizes the film for the wrong reasons. Then he goes on to say that the radiation from the accretion disk would be deadly, and I tend to agree. But assuming for a moment that Gargantua really was a supermassive BH, the accretion disk in relation appeared rather small. So the BH might actually be "starving" (that is, there's no nearby star whose matter is being sucked in, therefore the radiation level would be much lower (probably just "extremely deadly" rather than "insanely deadly")). If that were all there was to criticize about the science in Interstellar it'd be impressive. It'd rather look at a few other things, e.g. - is the size of the "Plan A" spaceship as it is revealed in the end actually viable or, as I suspect it, way, way too small?
- The Thesseract concept borrows heavily from String theory, which I heard is neat and beautiful from its mathematical conception, but there's still not a single shred of experimental evidence that it's more than elegant advanced math
- Massive, frozen clouds. How can they stay up in the air even if the gravity is just at 80%? Even individual snow flakes fall from the sky on Earth, and here we almost have glaciers?
- They couldn't detect these friggin' huge tidal waves from orbit? Well, they "detected" them but how could they possibly mistake them for mountains?
- They need a three-stage rocket to launch from Earth, it takes them years to reach Saturn, and yet they have the technology to land a shuttle on shallow water (or glaciers), and start it again with virtually no turnaround time (other than for the delays caused by a bit of water in the burn chambers). Where's the fuel coming from for the lift-off? Where's the fuel to work themselves out of Gargantua's extremely deep gravity well?
- They couldn't figure out that the ice planet's atmosphere had a deadly amount of ammonia in it and debunk the claim of habitability even from space?
- Time travel paradox. 'Nuff said.
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