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#4032627 - 11/06/14 04:17 PM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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I think the issue is that with modern engines you don't have a graceful failure that would allow the saving of a twin engine plane anyway.

It seems that with the increase in reliability the likelihood of a simple flame out or other benign failure has almost vanished, but the catastrophic ones remain. When your engine blows, it doesn't matter if the 2nd one didn't because the first could damage the 2nd as well or surrounding systems to the extent that the plane is lost anyway.
So having two engines doesn't statistically improve the odds of survival given an engine failure, and since there are now twice as many engines in a fleet of twins your odds of having those catastrophic failures actually means they're twice as likely to occur.

Remember the era of 4 engined passenger jets is almost over, they're all going to twins now. Being podded below the wing allows greater protection from catastrophic failure, plus an airliner isn't a combat plane anyway.


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#4032718 - 11/06/14 07:14 PM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Pielstick]  
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Originally Posted By: Pielstick
Originally Posted By: fatty
Originally Posted By: Top Gun
what was the last single engine NAVY aircraft on a carrier...


AV-8.


Not Navy.


Yes Navy. Spanish Navy, Italian Navy, and (up until recently as Harrier IIs) Royal Navy.

Edit: Sea Harriers in the Indian Navy as well.

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#4032719 - 11/06/14 07:15 PM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: fatty]  
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Originally Posted By: fatty
Originally Posted By: Pielstick
Originally Posted By: fatty
Originally Posted By: Top Gun
what was the last single engine NAVY aircraft on a carrier...


AV-8.


Not Navy.


Yes Navy. Spanish Navy, Italian Navy, and (as Harrier IIs) Royal Navy.

Since the article was about the F-35C, which is only being used by the US Navy, I think the question was focused on the US Navy's aircraft.


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#4032753 - 11/06/14 08:19 PM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Top Gun]  
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Originally Posted By: Top Gun
I thought the Navy always wanted a twin engine plane in case of engine failure over the ocean.


Cost. Twin engine costs significantly more than what the losses would be from single engine failure.

#4032968 - 11/07/14 09:33 AM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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When they go to pilotless drones, the issue won't
seem so critical - it'll just be the money.

#4033094 - 11/07/14 04:04 PM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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Here's another video, of general deck operations this time. Cat launches, landings, etc.



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#4034031 - 11/10/14 07:34 AM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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Here's a collection of photos and videos of the carrier ops testing:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/week-one-of-the-f-35cs-initial-ship-trials-in-stunning-1654529635


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#4034039 - 11/10/14 08:38 AM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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Man, looks like they were taking a pretty good amount of roll there too- probably made for a more interesting carrier testing.


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#4034043 - 11/10/14 09:22 AM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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Love the pilot name on the canopy...

#4034107 - 11/10/14 02:43 PM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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The civilian test pilot seen in a couple of the photos: http://www.codeonemagazine.com/news_item.html?item_id=578

#4036004 - 11/14/14 07:26 PM Re: The F-35C Makes Its First Carrier Landing [Re: Arthonon]  
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