You have complaints about BoS?
Don't like what's in it, what's not?
Post them here.

No personal insults, and feel free to discuss anything game related.
Gambit will be moderating.

Hope this works for the members who are disappointed, or have issues with the game.
Maybe they can be worked out in this forum.

Personally, I wish the map extended to Britain.
That's my complaint......

I locked this thread to keep it as an announcement.
Post your complaints in this forum, but keep it about the simulation.
Not about people, including each other.

Gambit21

Jokingly .... No Cup Holders in the planes ....

Seriously ... Too much anger at the caterpillar that still may turn into a butterfly (if given a chance).

Chief

I'm very concerned that when I release the sim from it's probation and fire it up the XP servers will be down and put me in a horrible "do loop" of the second mission of the campaign over and over and over again.

Well when Loft described the SP campaign early on, he did compare it to " Groundhog Day"...

I flew 3 missions in the campaign this morning. Short missions on Normal settings which I find necessary because of the restriction on Icons, Map Waypoints etc.. Anyway the first mission to Intercept some He-111's; first pass I took a hit which lit both of my wings on fire and for some reason I couldn't bail-out, killed. Second try, Intercept 3 Stuka's; Flamed two damaged the third, took hits and caught fire and bailed out on my side of the lines which resulted in 50% crash landing (50% of what?) No kills, no XP. Third Mission same as the second, shot down all three Stukas (rest of squadron chased the 109 escort) but got oil system damage and overheat, crash landed in my own territory before exit waypoint but still inside my own lines, awarded only two kills, 50% crash landing 18 XP and a new skin for the Yak.
Thoroughly frustrated with the XP BS although I have managed to make it to Operation Uranus. Don't like very much not being able to manipulate the map or have the choice of being able to have map waypoints but no icons on planes. Trim is way too coarse and it's difficult to bind some controls to my Saitek profiler without some imaginative solutions. I have gotten a few kills in the game on snap shots that in any other sim I have just wouldn't happen. Maybe it's easier because I'm playing on a lower difficulty setting, either that or I'm a better shot than I think I am. I do enjoy the game however I'm hoping that some things improve that need to be improved

My biggest complaint (coming from the perspective of mostly being interested in SP and the campaign), aside from the XP stuff and usual stuff, is that it somehow just feels too small. The ground attack and support missions can be okay, but the escort and intercept missions give the impression that at any one time there are maybe a dozen or so active aircraft on the map. Friendly AI could use some work as well--sometimes they're good, other times they're nuts. It does have potential, it just remains to be seen whether or not it will be realized.

Looking at your specs compared to mine I have to wonder why it would be crashing. I'm running mine on High and it has never crashed, some stutters after I first installed it but none since. Have you updated Java? Are you running as Administrator, disabled desktop composition and visual themes etc. You might have to go to where the exe resides in the folder to do this if you got it from steam but see if that helps you.

It's a shame that modern flight sims have so much trouble modeling an active battlefield. I think it's related to the increase in fidelity of their modeling with the demands for non-player controlled planes to have the same FMs as the players', and low-end machines get crippled if too many planes are flying. The answer would be to raise the minimum requirements for it, but something tells me there are too many people who wouldn't want to upgrade their 3+ yr old PC for this and they won't cut those people out.



The Jedi Master

different machines will give different results... albeit by way of what is running in the background, of each different users unique setup, and what they say what is... one user's wonderful and user friendly 30fps is another user's stutter fest. To a fanboi, as 5 fps stutter fest could be absolutely wonderful (they might not be bothered by stutter8ng terrain, for instance).

Everything, on the Internet, returns as inconclusive

It's a shame they (and not just 1C/777) aren't willing to put more effort into optimizing for SP. The first time I encountered a bomber formation and the ensuing furball in Rowan's BOB, I was absolutely gobsmacked. It was the most amazing aerial warfare I'd ever seen in a sim. I really don't need every aircraft to have the same FM as a player plane, only those in my immediate sphere of influence (and even then, for things like level bomber formations, it can be safely fudged). I don't care if it requires smoke and mirrors to pull off. For SP, it's the illusion of an active battlefield that is important. Aircraft dogfighting 5 or 10 miles away could use 90's era FMs and AI and I'd probably never be the wiser. Further out, as I approach they can spawn in randomly or us a 2D simulation like F4. That really is the very essence of optimization--cutting corners everywhere you can get away with it.

I'm sure it's not an easy thing to pull off well, but I think it would pay off in the end if they tried.

A Major +1 x 1000

Just gave this game another try, but it simply sucks. It is a console game disguised as a pc game.

I profoundly disagree with this statement.
Been at it on and off for the past months and I find it an engaging and coherent simulation.

It DOES lack something, but it's polished, runs like a dream, and it looks just as good.
It certainly out-simulate any of the previous Il-2, which is exactly one of its strongest and weakest facet at the same time.

Have you tried CloD with the TF patches? If not I invite you to do so and then I predict you'll turn your comment the other way around.

For the price, limitations, style, target audience and this "advanced" simulation that you are talking about I would rather quit playing WW2 sims but luckily there is CloD TF. I'm sick tired of this companies that are trying to archive either free2play (ripoff2play) success, half finished games profits or adding new contents to increase $$ without fixing tons of bugs (thus adding bugs over bugs), instead of focusing on a well done game (like old times). I can understand that a game for the mass (kids) can be unfinished since they buy anyway but this should be a simulator not a war thunder game....so maybe that's the problem...this is a game for the mass like almost every console games.

The only hope is that 1C drop this game, so maybe someone can lead this game to a serious direction. Meanwhile it will be really hard that I buy anything from 1C or 777 in the future.

I have flown CloD with TF pacthes, yes. They do bear very strong similarities.
In CloD environment is better, MUCH better, but that's like saying an English Garden is better than a snowy desert- Big deal!

But I know you mean this to focus on the simulation side of things- I still am not sure if I like one or the other better.
Admittedly my post was a bit inaccurate as I didn't consider CloD as a Il2 title. Well not with the TF pacthes.
So just up to the Il-2 1946.

But you must admit that an honest comparison would be Vanilla CloD vs Vanilla BoS.
And I'm sorry but even after the two vanilla patches CloD was still pretty much a lacking product.

For me, at launch, (and out the XP thing, which is pretty personal too) BoS still outgunned CloD pretty badly.

I stand by what I said.
You stated this is a console game- nope. Birds of Prey was a console game. Not nearly as good as this.
More planes? Yes. more theaters? Indeed. Just as complex. Oh noes.

That depends of course, by which difficulty level you're playing at.
Going expert, is anything BUT a console game. Engine management is intriguing and demands constant attention.

I'm no ace, but I can hold my own- and yet still I inadvertently smoked more than an engine.



Half of what you write here I'm not even sure it applies on the case...
Calm down and explain- I'm not sure I follow you.




I think 1C did twist 777 arm here. I'm not easy to judge but it's not the first time 1C does think kind of stuff.

777 to me is still a valid Software house- providing great content, polished code and a remarkably poor PR dept .
I prefer to concentrate on the first two.

Why would an honest comparison be Vanilla CLoD vs BoS? Is the TF patch the ultimately made CLoD playable and fun and actually took the game to level it should have been at release not available to you?

1c dropped the ball and left the mess, and simmers (TF) made it work. As far as I am concerned CLoD is not a 1c game, but a TF game. Sadly 1c wont release the CLoD code now due the fact if TF had it, BoS would be in even more trouble. They have already been shown what magic TF has done with limited resources.

Now 1c along with 777 are back at the bad decisions stage with BoS and looks like they are going to make another flop. Sad. Worst part is with the "master server" another TF like crew wont be able to save it.

BoS is better than any version of CoD that you want to compare it to. Last night I launched the most up to date mod version of CoD. I went into a quick mission and selected a 109. It had RAF markings. When I tried to change the plane's features the program crashed. Something that happens very frequently in CoD.

Sorry, but even with the TF patches, CoD still blows.