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#3978543 - 07/09/14 11:05 AM VEAO A-4C SkyHawk  
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Update VEAO A-C SkyHawk
http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2112931&postcount=169
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Thought I'd add a couple of more renders for you all

Jim, Tony and the team have been working tirelessly on the A-4C

Hope you all like them

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#3978835 - 07/09/14 10:50 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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Nice!

So much potential here.


I was just reading about Brazils forthcoming update to their Skyhawks (actually second hand Kuwati 'hawks):
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/theres-a-magical-place-where-a-4-skyhawks-still-fly-off-1594183306

I Would love to see this project evolve over the next few years to modules that cover the range of the Skyhawk family. From the eraly Vietnam era, to late cold war export/ Middle eastern models, to the modern pocket strike fighter Brazil is building.

looking forward to how this develops smile


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#3978975 - 07/10/14 03:52 AM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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#4027930 - 10/27/14 05:49 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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VEAO cancel A-4C and A-4M projects

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2214751&postcount=223.
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Hi Guys,

Unfortunately I have some not so good news on this project.

As a responsible developer one of our golden rules is that we will not develop a module without an agreement or waiver from an aircraft manufacturer, its common knowledge that this was one of the main hold ups with development of the Hawk.

As such we have been in talks with McDonnell Douglas (A division of Boeing) regarding obtaining agreements for the A-4C and the A-4M Skyhawks.

Sadly the terms offered to us in exchange for the licence are not economically viable for the project to continue. Therefore we have to stop works on the Skyhawk and park the project indefinitely.

Obviously this is a disappointing development not least for the DCS community but the members from the VEAO development team who have put blood sweat and tears into the project.

I want to publically thank the members of the Skyhawk development team for their hard work and commitment to this project.

But one thing in life is for sure, as one door closes another one opens.

Obviously due to the sensitive nature of commercial discussions such as this there is only limited amount of information that we can divulge in public but true to the nature of the relationship Chris and I work hard to maintain with you all we wanted to bring you this news as soon as we were able.

On behalf of everyone at VEAO we thank you for your understanding regarding this announcement.

Pman

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#4027942 - 10/27/14 06:21 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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Originally Posted By: Silver_Dragon
VEAO cancel A-4C and A-4M projects

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2214751&postcount=223.
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Hi Guys,

Unfortunately I have some not so good news on this project.

As a responsible developer one of our golden rules is that we will not develop a module without an agreement or waiver from an aircraft manufacturer, its common knowledge that this was one of the main hold ups with development of the Hawk.

As such we have been in talks with McDonnell Douglas (A division of Boeing) regarding obtaining agreements for the A-4C and the A-4M Skyhawks.

Sadly the terms offered to us in exchange for the licence are not economically viable for the project to continue. Therefore we have to stop works on the Skyhawk and park the project indefinitely.

Obviously this is a disappointing development not least for the DCS community but the members from the VEAO development team who have put blood sweat and tears into the project.

I want to publically thank the members of the Skyhawk development team for their hard work and commitment to this project.

But one thing in life is for sure, as one door closes another one opens.

Obviously due to the sensitive nature of commercial discussions such as this there is only limited amount of information that we can divulge in public but true to the nature of the relationship Chris and I work hard to maintain with you all we wanted to bring you this news as soon as we were able.

On behalf of everyone at VEAO we thank you for your understanding regarding this announcement.

Pman

VEAO Consumer Products Manager.


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#4027943 - 10/27/14 06:21 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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Well, that sucks.


Surprised they (Boeing) can do that though. I thought they could control the "Skyhawk" name, but not the military designation.

I'm also pi$$ed because myself and my fellow tax paying Americans ALREADY PAID FOR THE PLANES.


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#4027967 - 10/27/14 08:17 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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Would the Skyhawk a good opponent for the MiG-21Bis - both fly in Vietnam?!

#4027972 - 10/27/14 08:49 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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#4027973 - 10/27/14 08:49 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: AggressorBLUE]  
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Originally Posted By: AggressorBLUE
Well, that sucks.


Surprised they (Boeing) can do that though. I thought they could control the "Skyhawk" name, but not the military designation.

I'm also pi$$ed because myself and my fellow tax paying Americans ALREADY PAID FOR THE PLANES.


Can I suggest we write to Boeing or get a petition going.

Point out that while other historically significant aircraft are being immortalised in this sim the Skyhawk won't because of this company's gouging.

#4027990 - 10/27/14 10:02 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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So I wonder how many of the A/C in their roadmap this kills.

#4027991 - 10/27/14 10:11 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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#4028055 - 10/28/14 12:38 AM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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That's a huge bummer. How is VEAO going to deal with this in the future? I mean, a lot of the planned modules they've announced so far are modern planes and helos that would demand cooperation from militaries and manufacturers alike, and before even 1 has been close to release we've seen both the Apache and now the Skyhawk be either pulled from the public release list, or both.

#4028064 - 10/28/14 12:59 AM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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I thought Boeing owned the rights to North American and therefore the P-51, but that got made by DCS?

But seriously, this is going to be a big hurdle as this game gathers steam.

I reckon a coordinated approach needs to be taken by all developers.

Those companies that make arseholes of themselves should have it pointed out to them that other classic aircraft are living on in the virtual world, but theirs will not.

#4028083 - 10/28/14 01:28 AM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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That's so stupid. The names and likenesses of weapons and equipment used by a nation's armed force should be public domain, if not the intellectual property of the nation(s) who purchased and operated them - especially where the item was designed under contract to the public. They are a part of history. There should be fair use in depicting them in works of art. What's next, is the clothing manufacturer who produces American uniforms going to demand royalties for any depiction of a uniformed American soldier?


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#4028092 - 10/28/14 02:01 AM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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Seeing as the A-4 is still in active service with both Brazil and Argentina, (and a trainer for a few other nations) I wonder if that has something to do with it, versus the P-51D that hasn't been in active front-line service for decades.


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#4028095 - 10/28/14 02:09 AM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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#4028163 - 10/28/14 08:46 AM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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The other thing to remember is that Boeing might not have asked for tons of money but for something that VEAO simply didn't want to accept.

PURE SPECULATION TO FOLLOW

"What if Boeing wanted to see the source code for systems before issuing the license so they could confirm against real world values"

This might be unacceptable to VEAO.

#4028191 - 10/28/14 12:05 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Mustang60348]  
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Originally Posted By: Mustang60348
The other thing to remember is that Boeing might not have asked for tons of money but for something that VEAO simply didn't want to accept.

PURE SPECULATION TO FOLLOW

"What if Boeing wanted to see the source code for systems before issuing the license so they could confirm against real world values"

This might be unacceptable to VEAO.


As VEAO stated: "Sadly the terms offered to us in exchange for the licence are not economically viable for the project to continue."

I read that as "Big B wanted too much money."

That said, anyone know how this ever turned out:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/01/17/136090/electronic-arts-sues-to-use-weapons.html


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#4028231 - 10/28/14 01:02 PM Re: VEAO A-4C SkyHawk [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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Actually, this is the problem:
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As a responsible developer one of our golden rules is that we will not develop a module without an agreement or waiver from an aircraft manufacturer, its common knowledge that this was one of the main hold ups with development of the Hawk.


Their definition of "responsible developer" is strangling them. DCS is small enough that Boeing would never have noticed or cared about a Skyhawk, but maybe because they have aspirations/delusions of one day working with Boeing they don't want to dare risk doing what ED itself has done multiple times without consequence.

So they want to shoot themselves in the foot, that's their business. Personally I don't care about a Hawk and never will, but I would've gone for a Skyhawk. *shrug*



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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
Actually, this is the problem:
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As a responsible developer one of our golden rules is that we will not develop a module without an agreement or waiver from an aircraft manufacturer, its common knowledge that this was one of the main hold ups with development of the Hawk.


Their definition of "responsible developer" is strangling them. DCS is small enough that Boeing would never have noticed or cared about a Skyhawk, but maybe because they have aspirations/delusions of one day working with Boeing they don't want to dare risk doing what ED itself has done multiple times without consequence.

So they want to shoot themselves in the foot, that's their business. Personally I don't care about a Hawk and never will, but I would've gone for a Skyhawk. *shrug*



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I don't know about all that. Wasn't there an issue a few years ago with Northrop Grumman raising a huge stink about Il-2 using likenesses of their planes and ships without getting their blessing?


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