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#4024409 - 10/19/14 02:37 PM Swedish armed forces in subhunt  
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I just thought there might be some people here interested in this:

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/english-version-could-be-a-damaged-russian-submarine_4023511.svd

Tom Clancy stuff for real...

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#4024421 - 10/19/14 03:26 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Yea with eastern "visitors" we have a ball playing hide and seek in the archipelago smile

Right now the hunt is on for one (or more) "black dressed man" seen on the shoreline as well as the marine looking for a damaged sub of some sort. It's flashback strait to the cold war and the 80's!

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#4024426 - 10/19/14 03:39 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Survey ship Professor Logachev and her Dutch Navy followers are quite interesting as well.

http://www.marinetraffic.com

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#4024429 - 10/19/14 03:47 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Better get on the horn to Comrade Gerasimov, or call in Clark and Chavez wink


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4024432 - 10/19/14 03:53 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Theoretically,what would happen if you 'caught' one?


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#4024436 - 10/19/14 04:02 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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I hope this will result in bigger funds for the armed forces.

#4024440 - 10/19/14 04:10 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Should be a good chance for the Visby-class corvettes and the Gotland-class subs to get to flex their sensory muscle a bit. Hope they find the sub, if it is there to be found.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4024442 - 10/19/14 04:13 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted By: Chucky
Theoretically,what would happen if you 'caught' one?


I'm far from an expert but it will make world news for sure just like it did in the early 80's when Russian submarine U137 grounded just a few 100m from shore outside Karlskrona close to naval base. Other than that it will most likely just intensify the communications between SWE/RUS diplomats as a start.

This is a video made by Swedish military back then

http://vimeo.com/11072021

However it's said that the Swedish marine will engage if they locate the sub and if someone is killed or hurt or if they catch someone infiltrating on land things may go differently.

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I hope this will result in bigger funds for the armed forces.


I'm 100% sure it will. Recent events in Ukraine etc shows that the "Russian bear" is slowly waking up from it's ~25 year long hibernation and we can probably thank Mr Putin for that.

/KC

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#4024449 - 10/19/14 04:34 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted By: Chucky
Theoretically,what would happen if you 'caught' one?


I believe that they'd go along an ROE of shoot to warn, shoot to wound (albeit this being with a considerable accepted risk of killing due to the nature of submarines and depth charges) and finally an all out effort to kill if the sub doesn't surface or broken off parts can be quickly identified and salvaged for proof, with each step up being taken in a response to the sub failing to surface and surrender.

I feel our navy would be quite anxious to capture a Russian sub, even if only as a matter of prestige. It'd look a lot better than when they "caught" one solely due to the ineptitude of its crew, and it would certainly bolster the image of a branch of the Swedish military as being capable of defending the country without the help of NATO, which is a rather popular and certainly accurate notion. The navy would certainly have a better case to make for a larger budget than either the air force (which has failed to intercept Russian combat planes bound for Sweden, pleading a national holiday) or the army, which hasn't been acknowledged as being in actual combat since the Congo in the '60s (as doing so would be to acknowledge that we have in fact not been out of wars for 200 years (yes, the Congo part does that too, but it quite frankly seems that a lot of people count on that to be forgotten)).

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#4024450 - 10/19/14 04:36 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted By: Chucky
Theoretically,what would happen if you 'caught' one?


The ROE gives the armed forces authorization to fire without previous warning inside the archipelago. So that is probably what would happen if they got a positive contact. It happened a lot in the 80s and it has been confirmed that there were Soviet military deaths due to Swedish weapon employment. In the end there would be a diplomatic incident I guess.

The one caught, the S-363, did manage to catch itself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_S-363

The part about the west german grain carriers is great...

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#4024452 - 10/19/14 04:44 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Originally Posted By: Charlie_SB
It happened a lot in the 80s and it has been confirmed that there were Soviet military deaths due to Swedish weapon employment.


Ohh, wasn't aware of that. Out of curiosity do you have any links where it's mentioned?

/KC


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#4024454 - 10/19/14 04:45 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Originally Posted By: Charlie_SB
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The ROE gives the armed forces authorization to fire without previous warning inside the archipelago. So that is probably what would happen if they got a positive contact. It happened a lot in the 80s and it has been confirmed that there were Soviet military deaths due to Swedish weapon employment.


Really? who confirmed that???

#4024472 - 10/19/14 05:15 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79

Really? who confirmed that???


The former supreme commander of the swedish armed forces, Bengt Gustafsson, confirmed that. I was trying to illustrate that there has been a LOT of weapon employment in the past. In case there is a damaged sub that needs help I assume that the Swedish navy will assist and help out if asked.

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#4024488 - 10/19/14 05:48 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Originally Posted By: Charlie_SB

The former supreme commander of the swedish armed forces, Bengt Gustafsson, confirmed that.


Hm, I never heard about such incidents.... Anyway, I guess we gotta believe what the commander told...

#4024492 - 10/19/14 05:56 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Who cares. We have an open door policy on anyone who wants to come here anyway.
Why discriminate against russian submarines?


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#4024499 - 10/19/14 06:04 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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On some russian speaking medias appeared info that this sub is the flagman of the Baltic's fleet and it is on the bottom of the sea as "Kursk"... frown

#4024507 - 10/19/14 06:20 PM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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This image was shown by the Swedish armed forces today and show an observation from today before lunch. The image is too small to actually see much but hopefully a full size image will be released later.



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#4026508 - 10/24/14 08:53 AM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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Hunt been cancelled and nothing found.
Well, the coastguard at least got their raise of budget and no longer need to lay off personale, guess they call this a success...

#4026513 - 10/24/14 09:13 AM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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was it a submarine? was it really????



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#4026520 - 10/24/14 10:17 AM Re: Swedish armed forces in subhunt [Re: Charlie_SB]  
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