#4019174 - 10/07/14 10:53 AM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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Is it just because you are not getting the missile close enough. Please note, that target tracking is done by the manual trackers, and that mode is not simulated.
Sorry Hpasp, I just don't think it's possible. You need a lock, or the missile just doesn't see the target. I've guided missiles to a parachute target, with a radar lock, then unlock the target just before before impact, and the missiles just fly past without exploding despite being very, very close. I've guided missiles to a parachute target, and locked in azimuth only, and manually set elevation and the missile will explode. I've guided missiles to a parachute target, locked in azimuth only, and manually set elevation half a TV screen above or below the target, and the missile will still explode with around a 120m miss distance. So you don't need to be very close on the screen. But if I guide a missile to a parachute target, without lock in azimuth or elevation, even if the target and missile are both closer than the size of the crosshair, the missile will not explode! No lock = no explosion.
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#4019207 - 10/07/14 01:20 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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Is it just because you are not getting the missile close enough. Please note, that target tracking is done by the manual trackers, and that mode is not simulated.
Sorry Hpasp, I just don't think it's possible. You need a lock, or the missile just doesn't see the target. I've guided missiles to a parachute target, with a radar lock, then unlock the target just before before impact, and the missiles just fly past without exploding despite being very, very close. I've guided missiles to a parachute target, and locked in azimuth only, and manually set elevation and the missile will explode. I've guided missiles to a parachute target, locked in azimuth only, and manually set elevation half a TV screen above or below the target, and the missile will still explode with around a 120m miss distance. So you don't need to be very close on the screen. But if I guide a missile to a parachute target, without lock in azimuth or elevation, even if the target and missile are both closer than the size of the crosshair, the missile will not explode! No lock = no explosion. The parachute is slowly moving in Ashuluk, so here is the experiment I did. I stopped the parachute movement, locked in Epsilon/Beta, switched RAB-OT VM, unlocked both angle, and fired the missile, using T/T. Now, I found the bug causing this behaviour.
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#4019217 - 10/07/14 01:40 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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Good to know there is a bug, and I'm not going crazy :P But! Fixing the parachute target on the sky, and Using T/T RAB-OT-VM, and one angle lock only, I was able to kill the chute.
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#4019221 - 10/07/14 01:48 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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Lock on only at elevation, RAB-OT-VM, T/T. Track manually only on Betha. Easy kill of the moving parachute using Karat. Asuluk training ground.
Practice target: Radar Reflector
S-75M3 Volkhov
00:00, Practice target Radar Reflector launched
+++++++++++++++++ 00:00:04, SNR ON AIR
00:00:29, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 100km Target azimuth: 72° Target elevation: 15° Target altitude: 26,2km SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:01:07, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target Radar Reflector killed by SAM. (miss distance: 39m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 15sec
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#4019282 - 10/07/14 04:06 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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Yeah, that works. Thanks Hpasp!
Edit: I've only quickly tested it twice, but I've noticed that the problem is even worse for the SA-2F. You need at least to lock both azimuth AND elevation for missiles to detonate. If you lock only azimuth or have no lock, missiles won't detonate.
Last edited by Mdore; 10/07/14 04:24 PM. Reason: more info
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#4019331 - 10/07/14 06:42 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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Yeah, that works. Thanks Hpasp!
Edit: I've only quickly tested it twice, but I've noticed that the problem is even worse for the SA-2F. You need at least to lock both azimuth AND elevation for missiles to detonate. If you lock only azimuth or have no lock, missiles won't detonate. Same bug, same fix... http://www.mediafire.com/download/.../samsim_141007b.rarWARNING: Backup the original EXE, do not just overwrite it, as this EXE is for this fix testing only... ... might crash other systems/scenarios.
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#4019593 - 10/08/14 07:39 AM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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Works! Sorry I kept bothering you with all these bugs. :P It was a nice find! I will check other systems also...
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#4022864 - 10/15/14 06:00 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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Question about Hpasp?
Tell me and at Volkhov if low goal I include H < 5 there scoreboard lit and wide beam, and so I can not turn on and the narrow beam immediately and PODSVET, say it correctly or not.
At H < 5 can include a Narrow beam or PODSVET?
It is right or not?
With H<5, H<1, and Zemlja you can use Wide Beam only.
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#4022869 - 10/15/14 06:10 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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1. It will be more complex, when Karat will be introduced... (it also affects H<5 behaviour)
2. ???
1. It is not possible tho switch off "<5km" mode with other switch.... 2. As antenna and KARAT are aligned, what is happening with antenna when "<5km" is switched? What will happen with the view in KARAT? Karat will still point to the original beam boresight. At H<5 it will show 3 degree above of the electric boresight.
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#4022871 - 10/15/14 06:18 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E Guideline)
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At H<5 it will show 3 degree above of the electric boresight.
Which means 3 degrees above the target...
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