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#4018304 - 10/05/14 08:56 AM
Re: SemiOT: Low, medium and high altitude SAMS?
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I would handle this with a grain of salt... ... RAND is an organization, where the enemy force overestimation is practiced. page 62 160 SA-2 140 SA-3 
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#4018314 - 10/05/14 09:54 AM
Re: SemiOT: Low, medium and high altitude SAMS?
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I would handle this with a grain of salt... ... RAND is an organization, where the enemy force overestimation is practiced. page 62 160 SA-2 140 SA-3 Why do you find those numbers hard to believe? Those are the numbers of missiles, not systems. SA-2 has six missiles ready at a time, and maybe twice that number ready as reloads. So 18 missiles per system means eight or nine SA-2 systems. If that number includes some missile bought to replace missiles fired in live fire exercises, testing, the Iran-Iraq war, etc, then that could mean even fewer SA-2 systems are needed to account for that number of missiles. You can do similar calculations with all the other types of missile.
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#4018327 - 10/05/14 11:04 AM
Re: SemiOT: Low, medium and high altitude SAMS?
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I would handle this with a grain of salt... ... RAND is an organization, where the enemy force overestimation is practiced. page 62 160 SA-2 140 SA-3 Why do you find those numbers hard to believe? Those are the numbers of missiles, not systems. SA-2 has six missiles ready at a time, and maybe twice that number ready as reloads. So 18 missiles per system means eight or nine SA-2 systems. If that number includes some missile bought to replace missiles fired in live fire exercises, testing, the Iran-Iraq war, etc, then that could mean even fewer SA-2 systems are needed to account for that number of missiles. You can do similar calculations with all the other types of missile. If it is the missile stock, than its also completely out of ball park... SA-2 total 2016pcs V-755U 20DSU - 1180pcs 1974-1981 V-759 5Ya23 - 836pcs 1984-1989 SA-3 total 2321pcs V-601P 5V27 - 162pcs 1971-1973 V-601P 5V27U - 808pcs 1974-1979 V-601PD 5V27D - 1351pcs 1980-1988
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#4018339 - 10/05/14 12:03 PM
Re: SemiOT: Low, medium and high altitude SAMS?
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Where are those numbers from? Data from the historykpvo site.
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#4018345 - 10/05/14 12:18 PM
Re: SemiOT: Low, medium and high altitude SAMS?
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Why do you find those numbers hard to believe? Those are the numbers of missiles, not systems.
SA-2 has six missiles ready at a time, and maybe twice that number ready as reloads. So 18 missiles per system means eight or nine SA-2 systems.
If that number includes some missile bought to replace missiles fired in live fire exercises, testing, the Iran-Iraq war, etc, then that could mean even fewer SA-2 systems are needed to account for that number of missiles.
You can do similar calculations with all the other types of missile.
These numbers published by the western sources are usually the number of launchers (not complete systems and not missiles). Iraq received 35 Volgas (210 launchers) and 50 Pechoras (200 launchers). Some were probably lost in Iraq-Iran war, and some were inoperable by 1991. So these RAND numbers seem more or less legitimate.
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#4018353 - 10/05/14 12:41 PM
Re: SemiOT: Low, medium and high altitude SAMS?
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Why do you find those numbers hard to believe? Those are the numbers of missiles, not systems.
SA-2 has six missiles ready at a time, and maybe twice that number ready as reloads. So 18 missiles per system means eight or nine SA-2 systems.
If that number includes some missile bought to replace missiles fired in live fire exercises, testing, the Iran-Iraq war, etc, then that could mean even fewer SA-2 systems are needed to account for that number of missiles.
You can do similar calculations with all the other types of missile.
These numbers published by the western sources are usually the number of launchers (not complete systems and not missiles). Iraq received 35 Volgas (210 launchers) and 50 Pechoras (200 launchers). Some were probably lost in Iraq-Iran war, and some were inoperable by 1991. So these RAND numbers seem more or less legitimate. Extremely stupid way to calculate a thread! One OSA vehicle would count as 6? An S-300 battery would count as 48?
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#4018379 - 10/05/14 02:10 PM
Re: SemiOT: Low, medium and high altitude SAMS?
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Extremely stupid way to calculate a thread! Totally agree  Why on earth are they doing this?  It's a mystery. 
One OSA vehicle would count as 6?
An S-300 battery would count as 48?
Nah, I think using this "system" one Osa would count as 1, and one S-300 battery would count as 12 (if it has 12 launchers).
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