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#4009177 - 09/13/14 09:53 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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AS RPC is required before launch, as the CVK should select a flight program of the SRP from the available 97 (flight program number 104..201).

On the other hand you can launch with AS-2 also, without measured range or speed information.


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#4009314 - 09/13/14 04:48 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Just refreshing memories:

Quote:
Easiest answer is that Plamya use different program codes, for the different tasks.
(manual page 17)
Plamja-KV CVM (digital computer)
The digital computer has a 16bit processor, running at 64kHz frequency.
It has 256 bytes of RAM, and 4,096 bytes of ROM.
It has five built-in programs:
1. Idle
In this mode, the Plamja-KV is calculating the firing solution using the instantaneously available data from the RPC.
2. IADS target acquisition
In this mode, the Plamja-KV is interpolating the target's predicted position, between the 10Hz updates received from the IADS information.
3. Target tracking
In this mode, the Plamja-KV is continuously calculating the target's predicted path, and figuring the firing solution based on this information.
4. Tracking Jamming Target
In this mode, the Plamja-KV is calculating the firing solution using a manually preset target range. This mode is called AS-2.
5. Self Test




I think, that CVK always DO a firing solution, no matter how the data is inputed on it (manually, by "local sensors" (those MD buttons and red lights) or by IADS.

The real behaviour of the system is a mystical process for me, understanding the behaviour is a key for a bug findings or some mistery solving (04.10.2001 - Tu-154M)...

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#4009320 - 09/13/14 05:09 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Yes, the poor Tu-154, I do not understand if the measured range was real range of VR-3 how the missile could get so far. Maybe error of a tracking officer who mistakenly entered wrong range?

#4009324 - 09/13/14 05:13 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Yes, the CVK for a launch must have some range information, but in SAMSIM when I completely track target, then I switch AS-RPC off, PROLONG is thus active and apparently CVK is not computing track range data. But I am able to launch and successfully kill the target. So in this case CVK seemingly has the last range information and uses it for the missile.
Because when I track the target only in velocity, I am unable to launch as there is no any (even not some last estimate) range information.

#4009335 - 09/13/14 05:35 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
AS RPC is required before launch, as the CVK should select a flight program of the SRP from the available 97 (flight program number 104..201).


This is a completely new information for me (97 flight programs), please clarify a bit and please go very deep in explanation thumbsup

#4009336 - 09/13/14 05:36 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Maybe we could move the last posts into a Vega theme.

#4009342 - 09/13/14 05:48 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Do not mix Plamya-KV (CVM) programs (5) with the available 97 flight programs of the SRP.
Before launch, CVM in program 2 (IADS - AS4), 3 (P14 - AS4), or 4 (Jamming - AS2) should supply onboard SRP with the selected flight program 104..201.


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#4009343 - 09/13/14 05:54 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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I give up moving posts...
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#4013516 - 09/23/14 06:26 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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1S12 screen - OAF scenario: the Ashuluk is drawn on the glass. The drawing is appearing only when the power is on...

#4015023 - 09/27/14 10:55 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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SA-5

According to "Manual of battle work of S-200B", page 146,- "RABOTA PO V" knob must be in "AVTOPEREZAHVAT VIKL" mode by default....


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#4015031 - 09/27/14 11:14 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
SA-5

According to "Manual of battle work of S-200B", page 146,- "RABOTA PO V" knob must be in "AVTOPEREZAHVAT VIKL" mode by default....


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That switch behavior is not simulated.


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#4015032 - 09/27/14 11:17 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


That switch behavior is not simulated.


So, does it mean that it must stay wrong???
As it is like now, we had AS on epsilon/beta only...


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#4015033 - 09/27/14 11:17 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
1S12 screen - OAF scenario: the Ashuluk is drawn on the glass. The drawing is appearing only when the power is on...


On what date/position?


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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4015034 - 09/27/14 11:20 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: piston79
1S12 screen - OAF scenario: the Ashuluk is drawn on the glass. The drawing is appearing only when the power is on...


On what date/position?


2-th of may.... But I think it is for all of dates...

#4015045 - 09/27/14 11:45 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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SA-5:

On Tallin scenario, managed to shoot at receding SR-71 and got it down... According to manuals, we could engage receding targets with 300 m/s....

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#4015056 - 09/27/14 12:18 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
SA-5:

On Tallin scenario, managed to shoot at receding SR-71 and got it down... According to manuals, we could engage receding targets with 300 m/s....


Hmmm, a lucky shot.
rolleyes


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#4015078 - 09/27/14 01:02 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Hmmm, a lucky shot.
rolleyes


As target and missile speeds are almost equal (1000 m/s), thus most of the time the return signal frequency would be with ~ 0 doppler shift, i.e. targt cannot be tracked successful

#4015081 - 09/27/14 01:08 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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And what if you can not track it.

 Target speed of almost 1000 m / s this is true, it is strange that in Operation Tallinn grab this goal is very difficult, I tried a lot of times, it was possible only very rarely.

 Strange if another shoot at moving away goal, then the maximum speed of 300 m / s, why do Volkhov then 420 m / s, Volkhov system older than Vega rocket and she also weaker.

 At the C-200 'Vega' Hypersonic missile, the idea should not be a problem, it just easily catch up with the target.

 

#4015087 - 09/27/14 01:26 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

 Strange if another shoot at moving away goal, then the maximum speed of 300 m / s, why do Volkhov then 420 m / s, Volkhov system older than Vega rocket and she also weaker.

 At the C-200 'Vega' Hypersonic missile, the idea should not be a problem, it just easily catch up with the target.

 


No idea... Probably due to SARH method...

#4015096 - 09/27/14 02:01 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Hmmm, a lucky shot.
rolleyes


You think that's a lucky shot? Then you obviously ain't seen this AAR yet:

Click to reveal..
14:40 19th of December, 1972.
SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight number two.

SA-75M Dvina


+++++++++++++++++
00:00:43, SNR ON AIR


00:03:27, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 58km
Target azimuth: 264°
Target elevation: 24°
Target altitude: 24,2km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:03:33, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 58km
Target azimuth: 267°
Target elevation: 26°
Target altitude: 26,4km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:40, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 58km
Target azimuth: 271°
Target elevation: 30°
Target altitude: 29,6km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:52, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 58km
Target azimuth: 282°
Target elevation: 36°
Target altitude: 35,4km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:04:36, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 58km
Target azimuth: 38°
Target elevation: 57°
Target altitude: 49,7km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:04:46, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 58km
Target azimuth: 62°
Target elevation: 49°
Target altitude: 44,7km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:04:49, Missile exploded on Channel-1
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 88m)

00:06:32, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 42km
Target azimuth: 89°
Target elevation: 20°
Target altitude: 14,6km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)


00:09:07, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


Total, SNR On Air Time: 8min 21sec


TL;DR Shot down a Blackbird with an SA-2F biggrin. To be fair though, something must've glitched because the jammer wasn't on, or at least not having any effect on me. I'm guessing the same goes for the various other anti SAM systems that have been mentioned in this sub forum if they're modeled as well.

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