Quoted for truth and style.

MAC

Well, not in terms of the campaign [sic] options at any rate.

I am the Standard edition owner, and I regret I've bought it right now. I am a bomber aircraft fan and I've bought the game to fly the Heinkel exclusively, and now I have to unlock it? Seriously? If I'd want any XP grinding and unlocks I'd play War Thunder, it's cheaper.

Lesson learned, never preorder anything anymore from you. I'll wait for final feature list and sales in the future.

No you do not have to unlock any plane you purchased. This is completely FALSE.

Jason

Is the HE111 a purchase plane or are you referring to just the 190 and LA5... which was completely unrelated to what he was talking about.

Let me state it again.

IF YOU BOUGHT THE HE-111 OR ANY OTHER PLANE AS PART OF THE STANDARD OR PREMIUM EDITION YOU CAN FLY IT RIGHT AWAY. THE ONLY THINGS YOU UNLOCK ARE SKINS, EQUIPMENT AND POSSIBLY CORRESPONDING MISSION TYPES THAT MAY GO ALONG WITH NEW EQUIPMENT.

WE ALREADY BUILT THE CAPABILITY TO UNLOCK PLANES, HENCE THE DAMN SCREEN IN THE STREAM THAT IS CAUSING THIS CONFUSION, BUT WE ARE NOT DOING THE UNLOCK PLANE THING.

Jason

Jason, quick question then to put peoples mind at ease, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY POSSIBLY CORRESPONDING MISSIONS? DOES THIS MEAN YOU CAN FLY THE HE111 MISSIONS STRAIT AWAY, OR DO YOU STILL NEED TO UNLOCK THE MISSIONS FOR THE HE111? THE PART IS A TAD CONFUSING.

Thank you.

The difficulty settings in ROF only affect the points one can earn in multiplayer. It has nothing to do with career mode.

It means you can't fly ground attack missions until your plane can carry bombs and/or rockets.

If that is correct then why have an unlocked HE111? Whats the point? You have all planes unlocked, but still cant just choose to do bomber missions?

Its like someone sells me a car, but I have to drive a motorcycle around until they give me wheels.

I doubt you'll need to unlock "ground attack" missions for the He-111 (or the Sturmovik, or the Stuka, or the Peshka), it's probably something meant for fighter-bombers.

IMO flight sims should be free from all unlocks & restrictions. Flight sims should be true sandbox games where the user decides how it will be used.

As a flight sim fan why would it be appealing to not be able to use a certain function of a plane until it is unlocked? If everything could be purchased it would make more sense. Is this the case? Can everything that needs to be unlocked also be purchased?

I ended up ploughing a lot of money into RoF, no need to grid XP points in SP....why not do the same in BoS?

It does sound like they are trying to please all and failing badly.

Very glad I never pre-purchased this. Luckily (for me) it has some very stiff competition that will keep me happy for years.

Yep, probably you unlock some sort of "tank plinking" for the stuka only after you have unlocked the 37mm underwing pods.

Makes sense, in this context.
I really can't see this unlocking thing as a problem.

It's not like it's going to take 6 months of heavy grinding to unlock all the stuff...
Probably.

^
By this I only mean, ain't it a bit too early to cry wolf and being all scared about the future of flight sims?

Yeah it's a departure from most common games. So?
So it was RoF, so it was DCS, and so it was Steel Beasts.

There can be no advance without someone trying something different.
Will it be a disaster or a new renaissance? Who knows- the future us, probably- but I deeply suggest everyone to try and approach this with a little patience and an open mind.

It can't hurt that bad, isn't it?

Look, Elite (1984) was a deviation from EVERYTHING games were so far. No lives, no score- GASP! It also was MERCILESS! OMG!

And yet still- 30 years later there are so many people still loving it that a whole new sequel was not only wanted but it became reality.

Let's just give these people a little faith. I can't see anything that can't be eventually fixed somehow.
Ditching the boat does noone any good. As does stomping feet.

Few precious ones managed to argument their point without resorting to name calling and outright insults-
It can be done

Peace.

Some people are willfully confusing themselves in order to be obstinate.

The idea that an He111 would be flyable but the bombs would be locked till some point is so supremely stupid it defies reply.
If it's not instantly obvious that you would be unlocking alternative loadouts for less common/late campaign missions, but that standard loadouts (like bombs on a bomber!) would be there from the start, you shouldn't be complaining about the lack of complexity in this sim because you are incapable of handling a basic idea.

I can imagine trying to walk one of these people through making a change to their computer over the phone.
"Go into Control Panel and change your desktop resolution to your monitor's native one and the picture will be clearer for your LCD."
"I don't see Control Panel on my desktop."
"It's under the Start Menu."
"I don't see it there."
"It's on the right side."
"Ok, I'm in it. I don't see anything that says desktop resolution."
"It's under Hardware and Sound."
"Ok. I still I don't see anything that says desktop resolution. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO CHANGE??"
"Uh, it's under display...it says 'screen resolution'?"
"But YOU said DESKTOP resolution."





The Jedi Master

So stupid, yet obviously does not defy a response.....you know since you provided one.

I dont think the main concern is a bomber without bombs. In response to Jasons post about ALL planes being unlocked, yet corresponding mission might not be, makes the point of having all planes unlocked moot. Thats where some clarity is needed. Dont have to unlock planes...ok...but still cant fly them in a mission until you unlock the missions by doing ______. Or is a person who just wants to fly HE111 missions able to from the start?

Again about the complexity of this game, its not complex, just a lot of really oddball decisions that make users scratch their heads. What happened to pick your plane, pick your load out and go fly the missions you are interested in? Instead bring up XP points and unlocks, and restrictions on what you can an cannot fly, and expect people that are into sims to enjoy and not question the arcade take on it? Come on now....

Dude, you are making this way more hard than it needs to be. He 111s have bombs right from the start, so bombing missions are open for that plane from the very beginning. It's the very large, high-caliber bombs that are not available from the very beginning and must be unlocked. My previous statement, "It means you can't fly ground attack missions until your plane can carry bombs and/or rockets" was referring to fighters. That's it.

The idea that one could fly any of the bombers but would have to unlock all the bomb loadouts is utterly absurd.

Billy! Just fly over the target and wiggle around a bit to draw fire, command still hasn't let us un-weld the bomb bay yet!

Well this is not really a problem, one can start done RECON missions in then.

Come on, do you really think people fly the He 111 primarily to fly recon missions?

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