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#4013819 - 09/24/14 01:27 PM Online gambling is destroying people's lives.  
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This will probably end up in the PWEC section.

To cut a long story short a very god friend of mine has just admitted to his family and friends he has a gambling Problem. unfortunately its done permanent damage to his finances.
Looks like he is going to loose his home, I sat down with him last night and looking at the figures he is in
Real trouble he owes tens of thousands, this guy was one of the most stand up hard working guys I know a family Man a church going man,
WTF happened to him. I am wondering but wont ask him he is in a bad way mentally because of the stress,
He did tell me it all started from a innocent flutter and escalated from there I have made a appointment with the solicitor/Accountant I used when I was deep #%&*$# because of speculative property investments.
Lets hope they can save his home at least.

But let this be a warning
If your bored a see a pop advert for a free bet
This is what can happen.

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#4013825 - 09/24/14 01:31 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Self control is the name of the game. Personally, I don't like losing boatloads of money, so gambling to me is 10 bucks into a fantasy football game.

Anything can destroy your life if you let it, online gambling isn't the only vice out there that's ruined people.


Scully: Victim died of multiple stab wounds.
Mulder: *throws her a file* Ever heard of the knife alien?
#4013830 - 09/24/14 01:45 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I enjoy Vegas layovers to people watch at the casino tables. Everyone of them is a story.

#4013832 - 09/24/14 01:45 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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It all has to come down to personal responsibility and not government trying to tell people how to live their lives.


I could go out right now and buy 20 cases of vodka and drink it all in a couple of days but I wont.

I could go out right now and visit my local casino and gamble my entire savings but I wont.

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#4013834 - 09/24/14 01:48 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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The wished for big gain has never outweighed the certain loss to play for me.I am cheap, which saves me from lots of vices.


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#4013844 - 09/24/14 02:16 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I bet football online.

But when you bet sports, the way to win is to set a bankroll and have disciplined money management. Never chase a loss and do your research. If you have a bad week, move on to the next. And that's what I do.

So far I'm 16-8-1 in the NFL this season and even more up in college.

All this to say, gambling can be harmless entertainment, if you let it be that. But like most things in life you can't let it take you over. Furthermore, outside of sports and blackjack/craps (blackjack because skill matters and craps because the house has such a tiny advantage)...there are pretty much no other games in a casino that should be touched. Just my opinion.

But again, even with craps, it's all in how you play. Let your money ride and you will lose it. Manage your money, don't press your winnings, and play conservative and you'll end up just a little down (after hours of fun), even, or up.

People that aren't ok with leaving a casino even or having lost a few bucks will eventually end up in big trouble. The house will always win in the end. The only exception is sports betting. And that's why sports books charge juice (5-10% premiums on bets) and try to get even betting on each side.

#4013845 - 09/24/14 02:23 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I've stayed at dozens of casinos over the years during layovers and big-budget conferences. Not once have I bought a chip or dropped a coin in a slot. I love drinking while watching my friends or coworkers play but I've had the good fortune of never being bit by that particular bug. I big help for me was flying junkets for high rollers to Atlantic City in a King Air. These classless people would get off the plane on Friday drunk and excited. On Sunday, after losses in the 10s of thousands they would return almost suicidal. One died of a heart attack on the flight home. Another told me he never leaves the floor--and he showed me his stash of Depends diapers as proof. I'm sorry for your friend. As I see it, the key to gambling (from the casino's perspective) is the illusion of skill.

#4013848 - 09/24/14 02:34 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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There's a sucker born every minute. I'd really like gambling to actually become legal in my area. We have Indian reservations everywhere so there's plenty of spots where gambling literally magically becomes legal by crossing the street.


Scully: Victim died of multiple stab wounds.
Mulder: *throws her a file* Ever heard of the knife alien?
#4013850 - 09/24/14 02:39 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Sorry to hear this. Hopefully those who depend on him will not suffer too badly from the outcome.

In addition to legal/financial counsel, I would look into gambling counseling. No matter what the third party (whether gambling house, bar, whatever) may have done legally, ethically, or otherwise... IMO the key is helping/getting the person to the point they can stand squarely in face of this, either on their own or with support groups.

All the best to them and their family.


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#4013853 - 09/24/14 02:43 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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As I stated I Havant gone to much in to why or how
I think he askes for my help as I had financial problems in the past and told him about them
But the guy I have known for twenty odd years was very prudent he is a self employed builder great pair of hands can put them to anything. I think he's had some sort of mid life crisis.
In all the years I have known him I never seen him place a bet drink to much the only thing i would say he Was addicted to was work he never stopped. He showed me his account with a well known online casino
It was pretty obvious he had a problem he lost tens of thousand in one day alone he cleared out his
Bank account. the problem now is how to keep him credit worthy he cant go bankrupt and stay in business.
I hope the guys I recommend to Him can help.

#4013855 - 09/24/14 02:45 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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It sounds like he had some sort of underlying life problem that may have manifested through gambling. As you mention, some sort of mid life crisis. Additionally addiction to work can be a good or bad thing, and a possible symptom of bigger problems.


Scully: Victim died of multiple stab wounds.
Mulder: *throws her a file* Ever heard of the knife alien?
#4013922 - 09/24/14 05:18 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I do agree with you guys, a man is responsible for his own actions
But there is a argument aggressive marketing by online casino's may be responsible for attracting
People who are in desperate circumstances who would not normally make a bet
I checked my spam folder there are at least ten casino's making starting offers they no my name
Never registered with any but my computer was vulnerable for a couple of days I did not update my virus protection. straight away when it ran out since then I have been bombarded with spam mails which I don't seem to be able to stop even though I have protection now.
Below example of a spam mail I normally don't open them just delete them.
Ok you would need to be pretty desperate to believe it was a legit offer but desperate people do desperate Things. And there seems to be plenty of hawks around to take advantage.
Not sure if its even possible to stop this, but I heard some country's have very good rules in place to stop them Illegally canvasing. If somebody wants to gamble they should be able to but all should be done to stop people Getting addicted.IE stop them from making to good to be true offers and illegally spamming people IMO.



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#4013927 - 09/24/14 05:31 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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The same as any other advertisements, the entire idea of them is to appeal to people and get them to buy a product or service. That some people in this world are desperate isn't grounds to arbitrarily abolish advertising for the certain "bad" market of the day. As unfortunate as your friend's predicament is, it's 100% no one's responsibility but his own.

You won't be more sexy if you shop at Victoria's Secret, you won't become rich gambling, you won't be incredibly clean if you buy this shaving cream, etc. If it's something like a Nigerian prince scam that aims to literally steal data from people that's one thing, but it's not a casino's fault if someone is gullible enough to believe they'll make it big when it's incredibly common sense knowledge that you won't.

You'll have to forgive my forward demeanor but I'm a pretty dang strong proponent of personal responsibility for one's actions.

That all being said, I don't believe your friend was probably one to succumb to advertising, your information has certainly pointed to a much different cause of some sort.


Scully: Victim died of multiple stab wounds.
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#4013936 - 09/24/14 05:58 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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People are oftentimes self-destructive. The means they go with varies--gambling, alcohol, drugs, adultery...who knows. Most can be handled with restraint and common sense, sometimes it can't and what you do is simply without any redeeming qualities.
A week ago my wife and I were on a weekend trip and decided to go to the dog track in the city, part of a casino. Worst one casino experience I've ever had. I'm cheap too, not much for throwing money away, but they gave us $20 ea for slots and we spent a total of $12 on the dogs over a couple of hours. We had a good time, but I didn't see ANYONE else there having fun. Desperation was in the air as thick as the cheap cigar smoke. It was sad. We used our free money on the way out the door and didn't even enjoy throwing that away since slots are now a push button experience without even tokens. No arm to pull, just a stupid button and a card in the slot. We blew through the free $40 on dollar slots in about 5 minutes and left. We had fun, cheap, but it was depressing seeing that place chock full of people that looked serious, angry and desperate hoping for a win. At least the dogs were pretty cool.


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#4013937 - 09/24/14 06:03 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Slots are boring as hell now that everything has gone digital. Blackjack is OK, I enjoy it in small bursts.


Scully: Victim died of multiple stab wounds.
Mulder: *throws her a file* Ever heard of the knife alien?
#4013955 - 09/24/14 06:46 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Have been doing some research.
Trying to find out if there's any help for my friend none financially, But I did find a GA centre not to far From his home I will offer to take him but he is a proud guy. so I don't know if he will go.
You can lead a horse to water and all that. the solicitor and accountant I used worked wonders for me.
And saved My home. Even though the banks did all they could to take it which is rich considering it was on There financial consultants advice that I invested in the property market in the first place. the only difference between my situation and my Friends, is mine were mostly bank loans, most of his debt seems to be on credit Cards. He had crazy amounts of credit to hand. Now all maxed out.

#4014082 - 09/24/14 11:02 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: Wireman]  
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Originally Posted By: Wireman
I enjoy Vegas layovers to people watch at the casino tables. Everyone of them is a story.


I don't get the allure of online gambling, but I loves me a craps table - the world of probabilities played out in real time. I'm the guy that can stay at a table for hours with a hundred bucks, playing conservatively and not afraid of playing the "no." One just can't holler with glee when a fellow craps out.

A craps table is about getting the positive mojo going and shouting ridiculous things to make people laugh.

Plus I figure it's just really expensive coffee. They bring one a fresh cup every twenty minutes, and the price of it varies wildly. Indeed, at times they pay me to drink it.

Once gambling crosses into addiction, however, it's a different kettle of fish - it's not fun for the people doing it; then again, compulsions rarely are.

On unsecured debt, that's not that big an issue. Call the companies and give them a figure a tenth of what is owed to settle; if they don't counter with a decent offer, tell them honestly that you're going to send them some money every month, but that it's just until the bankruptcy proceeding commence. It's terrible - nobody wants to renege on their word - but at some point one has to push the reset button. At least since the Australians got the big idea that they're a country in their own right and not a dumping ground for debtors.

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#4014086 - 09/24/14 11:31 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I used to love playing crap too as a young man. I have to admit I did get a little addicted to the thrill of the dice in the air. When I was in my 20's me and my friends went to Vegas all the time. It took me a while to figure out I was really being stupid with my money. I try not to think about how much I lost back then. Had a lot of fun though. You can get yourself in trouble really quick.

#4014115 - 09/25/14 01:29 AM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Was in High school when we would play poker during lunch or study time. Became addicted
and we would have big money games, lost $250 during one game and told myself this is it.
Will never never gamble for again since my last paystub vanished in the most stupid way.
Have only gambled a few times since that day and with no more then a $10 roll of quarters.
We don`t buy lottery tickets or pull tabs. If we go to the Casino, it to eat, that's all
we have done for many years.

Have seen many old friends fall into the gambling habit only to find themselves destitute
from it, begging for money.


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#4014122 - 09/25/14 01:51 AM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
**Shrug**


It all has to come down to personal responsibility and not government trying to tell people how to live their lives.


I could go out right now and buy 20 cases of vodka and drink it all in a couple of days but I wont.


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