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#4009604 - 09/14/14 08:46 AM What type of missle could have shot down MH17?  
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Almost 300 innocent people were killed. We need to find the truth. I am from the Netherlands and really like to know what happened and who did it.

As it looks now much evidence points to the use of a missle which shot down MH17.
Now the type of weapon seems clear, we need to find the type of weapon.

I was wondering if based on the damage of the aircraft, the type of warhead can be determined.

Damage to the aircraft is various. From perfect squares holes to small rond holes and elongated cracks.

From the shot down of the Siberia Tu-154 done by a S-200 I understand the S-200 uses only steel balls.
Could a S-200 be ruled out?

A BUK seems to be the most likely culprit. Also because the multiple photos made of a single BUK in the area where MH17 crashed.

I understand some missles in use by BUK uses warheads 9N314 or 9N130. 9N314 has three types of fragments, basically forms of cubicles and a butterfly shaped one.

What could be the type of missle? It seems the missle exploded near the aircraft, on the lefthand side.
What does it say about the TELAR? What position must it be?
Is there a relationship between the warhead and the missletype?

What trajectory does a BUK missle take? Does it always explode slight above level of the aircraft? Could it explode underneath the aircraft?

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#4009612 - 09/14/14 09:24 AM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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My condolences about all your country-mates, lost their life in this disaster!

I believe, that the investigation would find the truth!

Probably already saw this, right?

SA-11

Also:


Preliminary report

and:

German Parliament Commisiion

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#4009614 - 09/14/14 09:36 AM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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Saw that obviously. Spent many hours on research. Hoping to find some experts myself in forums like this one.

#4009657 - 09/14/14 12:55 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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I do not know any other SAM system type than the BUK, that use "hourglass" shaped fragments.

The 9M38M1 missile use proportional navigation (SARH), and has a kill radius of 17m.

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#4009662 - 09/14/14 01:14 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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I don't believe that here we have real professional investigators or military professionals, but I hope you will find the info you need.... That's what I know:

Originally Posted By: Marcel

I was wondering if based on the damage of the aircraft, the type of warhead can be determined.


Yes, there is a possibility some details to stay stacked in some places of the plane's structure, also in humans bodies... frown


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Damage to the aircraft is various. From perfect squares holes to small rond holes and elongated cracks.


Hm, never saw round holes..., considering cracks - there is a big difference in internal and external pressure on 10 km altitude, as material is pierced in one place, it goes suddenly weakened and starts cracking...



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From the shot down of the Siberia Tu-154 done by a S-200 I understand the S-200 uses only steel balls.
Could a S-200 be ruled out?


It was put out of service in 2013, no idea is it reactivated soon:

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I understand some missles in use by BUK uses warheads 9N314 or 9N130. 9N314 has three types of fragments, basically forms of cubicles and a butterfly shaped one.
What could be the type of missle? It seems the missle exploded near the aircraft, on the lefthand side.
What does it say about the TELAR? What position must it be?
Is there a relationship between the warhead and the missletype?



The newer version of warhead is not exported in Ukraine, as I know...

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What trajectory does a BUK missle take? Does it always explode slight above level of the aircraft? Could it explode underneath the aircraft?


As SA-11 is still in service, it's "behavior" is still secret, so those could not be answered... From videos is known that it gains altitude and attacks from above, but it could use some other methods, which system/operators could select at any time...






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#4021437 - 10/12/14 01:46 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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#4021456 - 10/12/14 02:52 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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Originally Posted By: Marcel
Almost 300 innocent people were killed. We need to find the truth.


Sorry, but please tell me we're not playing CSI:SAM here?

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#4021460 - 10/12/14 03:16 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Muggs]  
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That's rather amusing, for a number of reasons. Firstly, the shrapnel points argues that it was a Buk, and not a AAM or a gun, as has been espoused previously by RT. Secondly, the idea that it was fired by a Ukrainian battery is silly, as the intercept location (as indicated by ELT data) is out of the effective envelope of any SAM on Ukrainian-held territory at the time. If the documents are to be believed, then, all of this argues for the idea that the separatists shot down MH17 by accident.

#4022119 - 10/14/14 01:10 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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i saw the great simulated video in the fb
if you would u see this... i can share the link
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the suspect missile..... impacted to the cockpit first ....
destroying begone from cockpit !
....
so... here is the question ? command guided missiles .. could hit the plane nose ? ??
or they can catch plane from side by side ?

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#4101880 - 04/05/15 01:53 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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#4101888 - 04/05/15 02:26 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79


Good book
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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4101897 - 04/05/15 02:39 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Hpasp]  
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Screenshot from 9K37M1E promotional video...




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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4116838 - 05/06/15 12:36 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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#4117386 - 05/07/15 02:12 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4117473 - 05/07/15 05:36 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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#4118202 - 05/09/15 07:16 AM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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*edit* Hpasp beat me to it.

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#4119062 - 05/11/15 07:13 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Agiel7]  
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Originally Posted By: Agiel7
*edit* Hpasp beat me to it.


Yep, he beats us all on daily basis.. wink

#4128659 - 06/03/15 06:57 PM Re: What type of missle could have shot down MH17? [Re: Marcel]  
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