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#4009423 - 09/13/14 08:48 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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Why the hell is it priced at $450?? That's a solid GPU right there! Why would I spend that insane amount of money on a game?

** Note: I ask this question as a normal-minded, non-fanboi, I-got-a-family-to-feed sort of gamer **


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#4009469 - 09/13/14 10:14 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted By: - Ice
Why the hell is it priced at $450?? That's a solid GPU right there! Why would I spend that insane amount of money on a game?

** Note: I ask this question as a normal-minded, non-fanboi, I-got-a-family-to-feed sort of gamer **


Let me rephrase that for you: Why would I spend that insane amount of money on a game that isn't even out yet?

#4009546 - 09/14/14 02:46 AM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Alicatt]  
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Originally Posted By: Alicatt
I'm scratching my head to think of one that costs $450, I have not seen one my self.
The Vanduul Scythe was $300 when it was released during the kickstarter campaign but there were only 300 of them, the Idris was $1000 back then too, but it was very limited numbers and they sold out in minutes. I have not heard of one coming for sale at $450 either.


Well, oh.....my bad lol

$300 and not $450

And even then, $300 ?? That must be the 'SS Audactity II'

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#4009549 - 09/14/14 02:56 AM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Flogger23m]  
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Originally Posted By: Flogger23m

Compare the effort put into a Star Citizen ship (outside of artwork) compared to a DCS level plane for much less and it looks like a ripoff.

I think the game will be decent, just very over hyped.


That's a very good point. I'll say he has very good marketing because he managed to create a bunch of hype that sold itself very well and justified more hype along the way.

Compared to Elite, SC just looks more like a pile of promoter bloat. It's amazing how folks actually got bought into the scheme. For their sakes, I just hope I am wrong.

#4009623 - 09/14/14 10:11 AM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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Yes.

#4009674 - 09/14/14 01:50 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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#4009704 - 09/14/14 03:53 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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Naah. I actually can't believe that the father of Wing Commander and Strike Commander is going to make something less than great.

In its own way, probably, but this is going to be great.


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#4009798 - 09/14/14 08:22 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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I'll admit I am very interested in the game, but when I check out the website and see how much some of those ships and packages are I ask myself "Are these guys for real? Are there really people paying this kind of money?"

When it comes to Star Citizen I start thinking "The bigger they are the harder they fall." Witness Destiny and the amount of money behind that.... yet it appears to have spectacularly failed to live up to the hype.

#4009816 - 09/14/14 09:16 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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I think in the end the problem IS hype per s.


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#4009891 - 09/15/14 02:20 AM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Pielstick]  
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Originally Posted By: Pielstick
I'll admit I am very interested in the game, but when I check out the website and see how much some of those ships and packages are I ask myself "Are these guys for real? Are there really people paying this kind of money?"

When it comes to Star Citizen I start thinking "The bigger they are the harder they fall." Witness Destiny and the amount of money behind that.... yet it appears to have spectacularly failed to live up to the hype.


Well, they are being sold as pledges. The ships are just bonuses for "donating". The problem is that it has more or less become outright buying ships, upgrades, suits, and even skins. When the final game comes out will the prices be more sane? Say $10-50 per ship?

Then there are those who will get angry if they are too cheap because they paid a lot for them up front. Or those that want them to take hours of grinding in game to obtain because they sank $400-500 in "pledges". Now if they can update Arena Commander to allow you to use any ship (at least combat ones) it would be more reasonable. Those who want to play the persistent universe have to jump through the hoops (and costs) to get the ships. But even then, $160-220 or 100 hours per ship is a lot. Also keep in mind insurance and ammo costs. The balancing for this can certainly be a slippery slope.

But aside from the PU, there is always the SP campaign and Arena Commander. If they are done right and of decent length it will be worth the full price by itself.

#4009958 - 09/15/14 09:55 AM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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I didn't even pledge for the project because it sounded way too ambitious right from the beginning.

As Jayhawk has said already, I may check this (and Elite) out when it is released. Until then there are plenty of other things to do.


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#4010023 - 09/15/14 02:38 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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If SC turns out to be a game I want to play, I'll buy it. However, I have zero confidence that the game will go in a direction I want it to go, namely next-generation Wing Commander.

If it fails to do that, well I didn't pay a dime into it so I don't care.



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#4010060 - 09/15/14 03:32 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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Kickstarted originally, lost interest shortly after. I'm all for being surprised by a good game but so far SC has been one massive dog and pony show with people paying thousands of dollars for a few sad little things to show for it.

If anything, I seriously disagree with the way they went about their development and communication. The fact that (some) people keep buying content for hundreds of dollars is just as sad.


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#4010066 - 09/15/14 03:39 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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Backed with the cutlass from my side. That is it. I am not impressed by the control mechanics in DF module, but CR has said they will now incorporate 3d vectored flight.

But speculation is moot. We all know this game will be a long way down the line before the base PU is down. At that point anything can and most likely will change.


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#4010090 - 09/15/14 04:28 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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Good article about it on Ten Ton Hammer recently:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/columns/respawn/cult-star-citizens-delays

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Its so hilariously transparent that this isnt about making a game anymore, but more so about exploiting a community of zealous fans who will spend as much money as humanly possible to make sure that theyre right. Chris Roberts tapped into a group of extremely proud loyal warriors who will fight the good fight for the game, and take any blow as a success - nay a victory.


I backed it with one of the small packages, but at this point I am cynical that we will ever see the game they promised finished.


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#4010123 - 09/15/14 05:19 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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Agree sort of with that article, but think he misses a potential point and one of my hypothesis.

Backstory... there are multiple studios, with multiple buildings multiple employees and multiple costs located in many places around the globe.

So what happens when the game launches? and lets say its a good game and is successful. What happens next? well there will be dlc's and then later down the line a possibly new version in development years later.

Well we all know the revenue stream will fade as purchases wane and eventually a dev team and company assets shrinks before moving onto another project.

So how to combat that shrink and try to ensure a steady revenue stream between big releases?

Easy, don't just be a manufacturer of one game, establish yourself as a company that can outsource expertise and assets that other producers will want to use.

That is where I am guessing CR and team going.

Take for instance the motion capture (mocap) section of the game. IIRC instead of outsourcing what mocap they need within the game for minimal costs, one of the stretch goals was to purchase and create their own mocap studio.


Makes sense. Instead of having a product they can use for their game, why not purchase at the communities expense an asset they can resell for additional revenue. Also makes sense why we have these showcase videos and partial tech demo modules.

IMO They are not just only spending funding money creating a game, but also that money creating a business to keep themselves going.

That's my conspiracy theory and ties in whole with the article above why its advantageous to CR to drag out this process.

However, on a positive note. And if I am correct, CR and team will have to produce quality to gauge interest which should translate into quality for the game, but also long delays as the cash cow is kept alive for as long as possible to optimise revenue for asset purchasing.

So, I bought in with one ship, and that is it for me until isee a game.


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#4010138 - 09/15/14 05:49 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: kludger]  
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Originally Posted By: kludger
I backed it with one of the small packages, but at this point I am cynical that we will ever see the game they promised finished.


Ditto. I did the $65 thing early on before it got crazy. If I hadn't I wouldn't be doing anything with it now. I have zero interest in it until there's a game to be played--and that doesn't mean a module to dink around with.
I wouldn't compare it to DCS, these games are completely different sims. DCS: simulates the control and physics necessary for flight combat and nothing beyond that and no consequences, just respawn. Of course that would be highly detailed and accurate. Otherwise, it would have nothing to offer. SC will simulate "living the life" of a pilot, including piloting. If SC was just going to be running mission after mission with nothing invested but success or failure, then respawn without consequences, it might be out by now.

Personally, I'm waiting for them to drop some kind of bomb. I don't see this getting done anytime in the next few years and I might not even care about gaming by then. What if they do a couple of years of work, collect all of this money, and then they get back the WC license and decide to convert everything to fit in the WC world.
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#4010142 - 09/15/14 05:57 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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And now we know why the "big bad" publishers impose deadlines on game developers.


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#4010188 - 09/15/14 07:16 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: Catfish]  
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I'm only in for about 35 bucks but that's all I'm giving them. I want to play the game and actually move up within the game.


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#4010233 - 09/15/14 08:23 PM Re: Anyone else thinks that Chris Roberts and "Star citizen" have lost it? [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
And now we know why the "big bad" publishers impose deadlines on game developers.


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Yeah. Because now the fantastic great publishers are the only soldier standing between us and the void of unfinished games.

Worked well with Cliffs of Dover.

I jest, partly. But it's not all black or white.


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