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#4004617 - 09/03/14 08:09 PM Simply luck of the draw?  
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So trying a couple new campaigns (BrisFit, SPAD7, Alb DII), starting out as a wingman, staying in formation. But when my Leader drags us to the merge with equal numbers or an advantage, I get a minimum or two and sometimes four EA engaging me. So far I'm simply getting my butt kicked. Is that just the luck of the draw?

I don't have Enemy AI Always Engages.

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#4004639 - 09/03/14 08:51 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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busdriver, the WOFF AI seems to have a hankering for the only non-AI enemy in the sky, in this case you. It's best to fly accordingly and jamb them up as much as possible. If the odds are really against you take the fight to the deck as the WOFF AI don't do nearly as well at treetop level.

Good luck. And if it's not been mentioned before, new lads buy the drinks!

cheers

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#4004659 - 09/03/14 09:27 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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I agree with Lou, busdriver. I've had the same experience. Although I've been told time and again the AI doesn't target the player, my experience has been they have. To a ridiculous degree. For instance, several times I've had an enemy fighter approach me as I flew with five other planes, and the enemy ignored all the others--even flying past all five to get to my side of the formation--to attack me. Or a plane will spiral down from above and single me out of all the other planes. I've never seen them spiral down and attack someone ELSE flying with me. Adding to this, the planes flying with me don't do anything to assist me fighting three other planes that have come after me instead of anyone else, for example.

Others have had different experiences than I, however. Frankly, though, I've grown tired of fighting the entire enemy air force single-handedly!

#4004675 - 09/03/14 10:04 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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Thanks for the replies. Today's exploits were all first sortie of the career, Summer of 1917. Both my SPAD and ALB DII pilots were mortally wounded by non-ace AI in turning fights. I stalled and augered in as the BrisFit pilot in a low altitude scissors. These sorties were not confidence builders to say the least.

Probably need to minimize the AI threat level, but higher than what I was seeing with 46 Sqdn at Sutton Farm (zilch). Prior to the Sqdn rotating back to the UK, my last balloon busting sortie had my Pup being chased well west of the front by 3 aces.

Oh barman, drinks for my mates. Cheers.

beercheers

#4007006 - 09/09/14 01:19 AM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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Could this be a bug?All of a sudden combat is just me fighting against all the enemy planes.My last flight I was leader of 5 and I spot some E.III's and steer towards them.I watched as my squad was just circling and following me the whole fight until I got down to one enemy plane.I even TAB'ed this plane and noticed my squad went into fighting activity but just circled around behind me.After a few hits this plane started to spin towards ground and suddenly my squad came alive and dove after it.This just started happening as in past my squad would usually be fighting a battle before I even notice there is enemy planes in vicinity.

Another thing is I seem to be stuck on only Eindeckers.Almost 30 flight hours in to this pilot and all I have seen is Eindeckers with 34 of my 35 kills as that plane only.Is this ok for May 1916? I am using the MISSION TYPES by BLETCHLEY mod and it keeps writing that I must patrol front lines for enemy reconnaissance planes but I have never seen one yet.

#4007039 - 09/09/14 02:57 AM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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Now that you fellows mention it, I did find it odd that yesterday I was being attacked by three our four Bristols that seemed to ignore my squadron. Though I did see my friends jumping in to lend a hand.

It's hard to say though since so many factors can affect the AI behavior. Something to watch out for during your missions at least. If there were a bug I suspect OBD would like to know about it.


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#4007080 - 09/09/14 05:48 AM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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It's even worse in the BE2 or FEb careers where your whole squad will stay in formation like drones and the pesky EA will climb up and shoot one by one down in flames. If I'm the pilot and able to escape, them I'm usually the only one to survive these missions.

It's very frustrating to say the least to see your whole squad get shot up and not try to escape.

#4007129 - 09/09/14 08:50 AM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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When I can see a fight coming (when I see the E/A early enough), then I fly so, that I
bring my own flight between me and the enemy planes. That way they often get to tangle,
and only 1 enemy planes flies beyond the scrap and approaches me.

I wouldn't switch to "enemy AI always engages" by the way - it feels more realistic,
if they sometimes follow other tasks, and it's your decision to follow them.


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#4007169 - 09/09/14 11:58 AM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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I've brought this up several times months ago and was told it's not a bug--but I was also told the AI isn't programmed to seek the player above all others. Still, it happens. Every enemy plane, even a lone one, comes roaring in like Fonck, ignores all other planes, and attacks me. Whaddya gonna do? Seems that's the way it's going to be.

#4007180 - 09/09/14 12:25 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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#4007378 - 09/09/14 06:19 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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I am reinstalling WOFF as I thought it might cure this but I see a few people have this same issue.I could try always engage option but as Olham pointed out its great to see different behaviors.Like yesterday Albert Ball was trailing behind on way to objective even after I slowed down to almost stall speeds.He then turned back and its nice to read that he landed at home field with slight damage.

Something is wrong though and while we can make it so we work around it,like Olham stated-leading our squad to be between yourself and the enemy(which I will try for now),or using TAB and targeting them but that all breaks immersion.Tab also alot of times does not work.

As for only fighting Eindeckers,I went thru the patch history and found this below though its not enough as I have never seen any enemy two seaters.Really like taking on two seaters in QC.I have rear gunner set to accurate and so with the planes being similar in speed its a harsh reality that you will get hurt or die fighting them.If I gain on them I try for attacks from underneath and then break away.Head on passes are best but the AI does this very VERY wide turn and so its hard to get in front of them.


07 April 2014
V1.20 4207

1) Increased 2-seater OOB (Order of Battle) weightings so you should see more 2-seaters in the air
compared to fighters.


And this looks great also.

• 8 New German Mixed fighter/2 Seater squads; FA(A) 226, FA(A) 241, FA(A) 257, FA(A) 258, FA(A) 266, FA(A) 272, FA(A) 273, FA(A) 277, FA(A) 281


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#4007392 - 09/09/14 06:44 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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You have t use stock missions, not 3rd party missions. then OOB will work properly, which means that there will be a better scout/twoseater weighting. For some reason the 3rd party missions do not adapt the change.

#4007410 - 09/09/14 07:13 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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That is.....well great to read Creaghorn!I must ask,why the crazy beat up mood?I laughed when I saw that since I put that on when I am hungover LOL.

#4007419 - 09/09/14 07:21 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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Here are a few of examples of how I survive when out numbered by sometimes superior enemy aircraft in campaigns. (What a great sim - white knuckle flying at its finest)

Outnumbered in a N11 behind enemy lines
I made the mistake of giving up altitude way too fast early in the fight. About 4:30 in is when the crowd starts to gather up aground me and I really began to pay the price for my stupidity.



Outnumbered and guns jammed (then dry) in a Sopwith Pup



Bloody April bomber escort mission



Bloody April 2 - swarmed by Huns while in my Sopwith Pup




In a nutshell - stay above them if you can. Turn into them when you can't. Don't get target fixated. Instead take accurate shots of opportunity. Don't waste your ammo! Keep your head on a swivel and fly defensively.


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#4007537 - 09/09/14 10:34 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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Hellshade,your videos were a big part of why I purchased WOFF. thumbsup I would watch them and then start up CFS3 and think no way and then watch a few more videos etc etc.Finally I thought if it looks that good it must play that good,purchased and it exceeded my expectations!

And I finally just fought 2 Aviatik's.Its very hard to fight two seaters that just fly straight and level and with some altitude.Trying to climb under them with the nose of the plane wandering on brink of stall is maddening and I could of used an upwards firing weapon for sure.They took me down though with two of my squad but we all survived and landed in friendly territory thankfully.

#4007600 - 09/10/14 12:54 AM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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I had a great scrap last night between three squadrons of fighters. Although I was attacked directly once or twice, I wasn't mobbed by any means and things played out just fine. So if there is a "all AI attack the player only" bug, it seems to occur inconsistently.

The day when I was swarmed by Bristols I'd fallen behind my squadron and was a bit out of position. That might have been why I was jumped on and swarmed.


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#4007619 - 09/10/14 01:43 AM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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#4007652 - 09/10/14 07:09 AM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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She's actually running better than ever. Even installed WOFF on an SSD; no more loading times!!


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#4007742 - 09/10/14 01:14 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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#4007755 - 09/10/14 01:23 PM Re: Simply luck of the draw? [Re: busdriver]  
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Took out my SSD and put it in my laptop. It didn't seem to like WOFF at all


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