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#4002584 - 08/29/14 08:14 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) ***** [Re: piston79]  
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This one, to be exact...





... come on guys, you know more about Soviet SAM systems, than a real FCO*!
Pull out your educated guesses!

*who only knew his system, nothing else


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#4002591 - 08/29/14 08:36 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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ANT - EKV, maybe...

Meanwhile, there is a clickable switch, right over the missile channel switches, with really bad visible label (something about low altitudes - "MB") - what it suppose to do?

#4003547 - 09/01/14 06:47 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
ANT - EKV, maybe...



It looks so, because at first he positioned SNR in epsilon and beta planes and the he switched it. Only it is a bit off hand (I know Volkhov, but Dvina's location as in sim is much more ergonomic for this switch)....

#4003560 - 09/01/14 08:29 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Guys, have you noticed that PEREDATCHIK light is not lit on his panel? Maybe only because of demonstration for the movie they did not enabled the high voltage.
But.... What if it is done with this mysterious switch? banghead I have to watch the movie once again....


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Edit: No, the light will not turn on....

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#4003571 - 09/01/14 09:21 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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By the way, what are those unclickable switches in the SIM labeled P, I, K, L for? They are located left and right of the mysterious clickable ....MB button.

#4003625 - 09/01/14 02:58 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
By the way, what are those unclickable switches in the SIM labeled P, I, K, L for? They are located left and right of the mysterious clickable ....MB button.


P,I,K,L are name of the Dvina cabins. (manual page 7)
VKL BLOKIR MV is not simulated. (similarly to H<1)


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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4003875 - 09/02/14 06:48 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thanks thumbsup Sometimes the things are too obvious yep

#4004029 - 09/02/14 04:39 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
ANT - EKV, maybe...

Meanwhile, there is a clickable switch, right over the missile channel switches, with really bad visible label (something about low altitudes - "MB") - what it suppose to do?


Yes it was the ANT-EKV switch, and it was moved to the I-62M pult, for ergonomic reasons learned during the Vietnam War.

Question: why was this switch moved at the Dvina, and why stayed at its unergonomic place with the Volhov?

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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4004045 - 09/02/14 05:35 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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At Dvina it was moved because of Vietnam experience I think. /edit: you wrote it already :-)

Why it was moved at Volkhov I do not know. Maybe lack of space, but there is some on the launch panel.

By the way, why PUSK and VOZVRAT button position was swapped at Dvina and Volkhov? Because the PUSK buttons are at better position for pushing than if they were at the lower row and you can accidentally flip the switched on the panel beneath them?

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#4018812 - 10/06/14 06:02 PM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Some photo from the Hanoi museum...







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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#4062088 - 01/10/15 02:04 PM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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During this period, from Moscow came absolutely absurd recommendation to Fight "Shrike", by launching our missiles. I remember how some of the experienced gunners very accurately said that the order to shoot at the "Shrike" missile is like forcing gunners to shoot the bombs, not the aircraft.
One time, I still tried to track the "Shrike" after the start, but I saw on the screen only the initial time of his separation from the aircraft. A moment later, "Shrike" disappeared because it's reflecting surface is very small and, continuing his search, we have created the ideal conditions for its homing against our SNR. There we, as always, applying the correct, tested method: turn the antenna on azimuth plane and turn off the high voltage. After 10-15 seconds heard a sharp "clap" - overseas "guest" exploded a mile from us, flopping down into the jungle. So we did every time when the aircraft maneuvered in a particular manner, we see splash that marks the launch on the screen or on the report of the commander of the starting battery (who has been equipped with optical device, determined start "Shrike". Twice we were under fire from 2 "Shrike"-s, but they tried in vain - we are not easy prey.
Our experience in defeating the "Shrike" we tried to transfer to the Vietnamese comrades, but unfortunately, after our departure, they do not always strictly follow our, battle-tested recommendations. As a result, in November 1967, our 41st Division received the "Shrike" in the antenna cab "P". Operators (two men) were seriously injured. But our crews, observing elementary but effective measures to combat the anti-radar missiles had virtually no losses from them.
The strange thing is that those absurd recommendation (tracking and shooting the "Shrike" I met at the HQ anti-aircraft missile battalions after returning from Vietnam. You can only imagine what would have led to their execution in a combat situation.
Soon received a new order of command - during the combat readiness our specialist must leave the position. This meant that the Vietnamese payment received full "good" for independent combat work. We also had to come in August in Hanoi for traveling home.


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#4062811 - 01/12/15 11:57 AM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: piston79]  
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There we, as always, applying the correct, tested method: turn the antenna on azimuth plane and turn off the high voltage.

Exactly the same method was taught for Hungarian Volhov FCOs...


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#4091878 - 03/13/15 09:25 PM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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#4094122 - 03/19/15 10:16 PM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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I thought that the people here might be interested to hear the conversations of a B-52 crew during Operation Linebacker II.

These are the voices of the crew of Lilac 02 plus radio transmissions on December 26, 1972.

Here is a link to the play list.

In a B-52 bomber over Hanoi

The transcription starts in Video 3 at about 3:30.






#4094231 - 03/20/15 08:23 AM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: KJakker]  
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Tough to hear the other side of the battle...
... if you play with SAMSIM, you will hear the carpet bombing from the receiving side.


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4109042 - 04/20/15 01:51 PM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Damn, sold already...

http://www.armyshop-bg.com/arm/index.php?option=com_djcatalog2&view=item&id=36%3Araketen-kompleks-dvina&cid=26%3A2012-04-16-19-21-39&Itemid=78

#4148099 - 07/18/15 06:19 PM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Almost...


#4148124 - 07/18/15 07:58 PM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Great picture, he was damn lucky one thumbsup

#4231521 - 02/20/16 05:59 PM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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#4234155 - 02/27/16 10:40 AM Re: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F Guideline) [Re: Hpasp]  
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April 25, 1967, Eagle Six is Ltjg Alan R. Crebo in an A-4C Skyhawk, Navy BUNO 151102.

We all stare at his Skyhawk in awe and wonder as we all join on him. Crebos A4 is a sight to behold. He has no rudder. Fully half of the vertical stabilizer is gone. Football and basketball sized holes allow us to see right through the tail pipe in several places. Someone points out that viewed from dead astern, the horizontal stabilizer is twisted about three degrees out of alignment with the trailing edge of the wing.
Every access panel in the fuselage has been popped open from the force of the concussion. He is flying with the hydraulic boost package disconnected and has very limited maneuverability, so we all fly on him. Someone in the flight has a hand held 35mm camera and takes multiple shots of the incredible battle damage.
Al Crebo was tail end Charlie in the bomb stack.

He reached the top of the pop up and hung at about two hundred twenty knots waiting for sufficient separation from Eagle Five before rolling in. He never saw the SA-2 which delivered a direct hit on his airplane. The force of the hit and explosion rolled Al on his back. He recovered with the nose pointed at the target, so he completed his run.

As he began his pull out, the badly wounded Skyhawk made an uncommanded roll inverted over the target. It was at this point when he made the Eagle Six hit and losing control call over the radio. Al reached under the glare shield and yanked the flight control boost disconnect handle, and flew the little A4 upright on manual flight controls. Now, NATOPS states that before disconnecting the hydraulic flight controls, one should be dirty, below two hundred knots, and lined up with the landing runway. The A4-C even had an extendable stick to give the pilot more leverage when flying on cables and pulleys with no power steering. Al was doing about 450 knots when he disconnected and rolled upright. He said he didnt remember the airplane being hard to fly at all!

Approaching the Bonnie Dick, Al decided to see if he could control the airplane well enough to attempt a landing. He extended the landing gear and the nose gear and tail hook came down, but the main mounts remained jammed in the wing due to buckled wing plates. He tried for ten thousand feet to eject, but along side the plane guard D.D. at sixty five hundred feet, the gallant Skyhawk flamed out and gave up the ghost. Al ejected safely and was promptly picked up by the plane guard helo. CDR. The little Skyhawks had got their drivers home.


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