#3997940 - 08/19/14 02:09 PM
Re: Historical Markings
[Re: Fish40]
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Stalin killed anyone he thought was a threat to him--which was most of the planet. Hitler had particular ethnicity-based hatreds that have tainted the swastika, despite it being much older than he and assimilated inappropriately by his party.
There is no doubt that Germany has overreacted post-WWII after it spent the decade before under-reacting to what happened under its watch. The problem is more that despite this ban pro-Nazi sentiment has grown anyway, proving how ineffectual it was.
That said, my question is this: just how many copies of flight sims are purchased in these countries like Germany that ban it anyway? Compare that to how many "I demand realism!" sales are lost from not having them.
Which is higher?
The Jedi Master
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#3998253 - 08/20/14 04:29 AM
Re: Historical Markings
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I think that its crazy to pretend something different was on the tail of those aircraft...I buy sims to simulate the history, talk about immersion killer...most likely a show stopper for me I hope it's not a show stopper. Doesn't seem logical that something that will probably be corrected with user made skins would keep you away or keep you from enjoying a gaming experience that you look forward to. I fly sims to simulate the experience. I know not everything will be perfect, but if developers can come close enough to suspend disbelief then I feel they have succeeded. Historical accuracy is important but it takes a back seat to the overall excitement of flying the airplanes I fantasized about as a youth. It was the hunt. It was the evasion. It was seeing the earth scream toward me as I dove in for the kill. It was the trail of fire from my expertly aimed barrage of hellfire on my enemy. Developers have come so far in adding to the realism of flight sims that it seems a shame to avoid it because of a marking on the tail fin of an airplane.
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#3998297 - 08/20/14 07:36 AM
Re: Historical Markings
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Back around 2009 the Russian Federation created a new law that prohibits "spreading NS propaganda". Unfortunately they forgot to include precise explanations of what counted as such. In reaction to this 1C decided back then to remove the swastika (and similar emblems) from all its future titles to be on the safe side. That's the background. There is no doubt that Germany has overreacted post-WWII after it spent the decade before under-reacting to what happened under its watch. The problem is more that despite this ban pro-Nazi sentiment has grown anyway, proving how ineffectual it was. I'll let you in on a secret: It wasn't just germans who insisted on banning these emblems. The US, British and French military governments of the three occupation zones insisted on it as part of the de-nazification process as well. Well, duh! EDIT: Forgot one thing: Neonazi parties such as NPD and its cabal are getting consistently less than 2% in german polls, even though participation hovers around 50% of all voters. Some local elections have brought these parties temporary gains as people frustrated with standard parties voted after leaving their brain on the nightstand. But none of these "parties" are in any position to gain influence as they're outcasts (politically and socially), because they're too busy destroying themselves from within (Haha!) and they don't have much of a following here, anyway. They are in no way comparable to Front National or Golden Dawn (to name the two whose names might be known outside Europe). That said, my question is this: just how many copies of flight sims are purchased in these countries like Germany that ban it anyway? Compare that to how many "I demand realism!" sales are lost from not having them.
Which is higher? Germany is one if not the most important flight sim markets in Europe. Apart from the Russian Federation the original Il-2 is said to have sold best here in Krautland. And quite honestly: If anyone decides not to buy a sim merely because of a missing swastika (yammering about a lack of "historical accuracy") then there's no love lost on my part. Such thinking is small-minded and childish in my opinion.
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#3998864 - 08/21/14 02:12 PM
Re: Historical Markings
[Re: Fish40]
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I think we could now stop the flame throwing and sarcasm please! No man can stop the sarcasm. The Jedi Master
The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
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#3999085 - 08/21/14 11:49 PM
Re: Historical Markings
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I think we could now stop the flame throwing and sarcasm please! No man can stop the sarcasm. The Jedi Master Eowyn can If you get that you're a geek - just FYI.
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#3999352 - 08/22/14 01:23 PM
Re: Historical Markings
[Re: Fish40]
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Yes, because she is no man. Not said in the book, of course, only the film.
The Jedi Master
The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
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#3999461 - 08/22/14 05:25 PM
Re: Historical Markings
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It's not dark and this is not a classroom.
The issue is not p*ssy. The issue is monkey.
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#3999538 - 08/22/14 08:56 PM
Re: Historical Markings
[Re: Fish40]
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Depends on where you access the site from though, doesn't it? It MIGHT be...
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The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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