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#3986724 - 07/27/14 03:23 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart ***** [Re: Wolfstriked]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfstriked
For my own question,what are flares used for?

Flares have no meaning in WOFF afaik.
In real life, they used them for specific signals, as they could not communicate much.
British scout leaders used green flares at the end of patrols as washout signals.

I never saw a list of which colour meant what, in German units.


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#3986755 - 07/27/14 04:34 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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You said "On bombing missions I identified the rail line that the yard sits on and planned my approach on that. Your flight will drop bombs when you do."

How do you idenfify the rail line? There is not enough info in pre-flight screen to do this and sometimes the junction is not easy to identify on Lou's map when there are multiple rail lines in the area with junctions.



If you zoom in on the debrief screen map and compare it to Lou's map (I originally used the version without infantry positions etc) you would have to be unlucky to not be able to discern which railyard you are looking for. Here's an example from early in Algernon's career, showing how I planned my attack.



As it is, I actually veered too far north and became lost. I realised this when I saw the town of Lens coming up ahead. Looking at the map I quickly found the rail line that curved back south and used that to guide me in.

#3986773 - 07/27/14 05:22 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Originally Posted By: Olham
Originally Posted By: Wolfstriked
For my own question,what are flares used for?

Flares have no meaning in WOFF afaik.
In real life, they used them for specific signals, as they could not communicate much.
British scout leaders used green flares at the end of patrols as washout signals.

I never saw a list of which colour meant what, in German units.


I think they would be great as a way for flight leader to show his intentions.Starting the climb out:D,attack,RTB,land at this airbase.When you become flight leader your plane could shoot the correct color flares for each of the commands you give.

#3986786 - 07/27/14 05:49 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Maeran]  
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Originally Posted By: Maeran
Originally Posted By: Robert_Wiggins

You said "On bombing missions I identified the rail line that the yard sits on and planned my approach on that. Your flight will drop bombs when you do."

How do you idenfify the rail line? There is not enough info in pre-flight screen to do this and sometimes the junction is not easy to identify on Lou's map when there are multiple rail lines in the area with junctions.



If you zoom in on the debrief screen map and compare it to Lou's map (I originally used the version without infantry positions etc) you would have to be unlucky to not be able to discern which railyard you are looking for. Here's an example from early in Algernon's career, showing how I planned my attack.



As it is, I actually veered too far north and became lost. I realised this when I saw the town of Lens coming up ahead. Looking at the map I quickly found the rail line that curved back south and used that to guide me in.


From my edit of your map, would it not have been possible to pick the wrong target as shown by the blue circle on the image below? The debrief screen map is not scaled well enough to precisely determine location and these two yards are relatively close together.


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#3986801 - 07/27/14 06:45 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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There are other clues. I was instructed to bomb the railyard at Athies Junction. Neither yard is very close to Athiers, but one is clearly closer than the other.



This is the briefing map zoomed to maximum on the same area. You can compare the roads, but the lines are not visible. I believe you would have to be very unlucky not to get the right one. Most yards are further apart than these two. The junctions have geographical place names and you can get a pretty good fix on them before you get into the air.

#3986825 - 07/27/14 07:43 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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#3986853 - 07/27/14 08:57 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Maeran]  
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Originally Posted By: Maeran
There are other clues. I was instructed to bomb the railyard at Athies Junction. Neither yard is very close to Athiers, but one is clearly closer than the other.



This is the briefing map zoomed to maximum on the same area. You can compare the roads, but the lines are not visible. I believe you would have to be very unlucky not to get the right one. Most yards are further apart than these two. The junctions have geographical place names and you can get a pretty good fix on them before you get into the air.


Yes you make some good points there, but it does take some time to work all this out. I must admit that if the briefing screen's reference to those criptic zones could be more specific to the map it would make life easier.
criptic zone notation:


This is a little OT for this thread so I will end my discussion here. We could probably go on quite a bit about the use of paper maps and the techniques to use and it would be a worthwhile topic but maybe another thread would be the place. Thanks for the dialogue it has been instructional and I see your points. The time spent pre-planning the map route is probably more than I can spare as I spend considerable time on the flights and the vids already.


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#3986912 - 07/27/14 11:16 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Well, I could not stand watching all of you have all the fun. So as Jack Nicholson said. "I'm Baaaack.! New pilot is Flt. Sub Ltn. Eastwood, RNAS 4. I plan to stay here through the duration, if I live that long.

June 26. Dawn mission. Bomb front lines NW of Lille. 2 DH2"s from RFC 29 as escorts. Cloudy for a bombing mission if you ask me but I just take orders. Nearing our target, the flight leader dives on some EIII's down below. I survey the situation and watch until I spot a lone EIII on the edge of the fight. Dove too steep and heard some ripping and tearing so eased up a bit, circled and came in behind my victim. He exploded in mid air. I heard my gunner pop off a few rounds and now I am the hunted. We danced for a bit and much to my relief, Major Barton came in and shook him off. I was able to turn and get behind him and sent him to the ground as well. I dropped my eggs where I was and headed NW. Landing back at Coudekerque I find Major Barton in OK but Stevens and his Ob. went down in flames.

June 26. Afternoon Mission. Arty spotting. 2 of us and I am to lead. 6 Nieups as Escorts. Somehow I miss the escorts so carry on with the mission. A little past Bethune we start our spotting. I notice an HA climbing up to disrupt our mission. He was alone and once he was close enough I turn while he is still a bit below us and give him a warm welcome. He goes into a dive but I did not take the bait and stayed up. We finished our spotting duty and headed back. A little NW of Bethune I see 2 HA trying to catch us. One soon turns home but the other stays with us. Ashford could not stand it any longer and turns to engage. By the time I climb and turn around he has sent him spinning into the ground. We formed back up and headed home, landing and Immediatly head to the mess to celebrate his victory.

June 27. Dawn Mission. 2 Machines to attack rail yard. 4 Nieups for escorts. Meet with escorts and head SSE to target. Near Bethune I spotted 6 machines coming our way a little above us. I think it is a flight of BE's. coming home. Imagine my horror when they get close enough and I see crosses on their wings! Avitacks. I almost crapped myself thinking the Germans had a new biplane scout. We pressed forward and the escorts head for the Huns. So much for escorts. Near Lens I noticed the escorts coming back. Dropped our eggs on the rail yard, made a circle to see the damage and headed home. Report was I had 16 hits with my 4 eggs. CO said "Job well Done"

June 27. Afternoon Mission. 4 machines. Arty spotting. 3 escorts. Escorts on time and on to the front lines around Bethune. Made 1 circle and headed back. We were supposed to spot for 25 minutes! What the heck. I guess Barton does not want to miss tea. Near Steenvoorde, Barton waves us on and drops out. Back at base we learned that Barton had crashed and burned trying to land, killing him and his observer. I took this hard as he saved my ass yesterday. I have a feeling this will be a long war.


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#3986913 - 07/27/14 11:18 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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RAFJenkins, Welcome to the circus! May your pilot do well and live a long life.


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#3986932 - 07/28/14 12:35 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Wolfstriked]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfstriked
I don't think you have to use the TAC to designate targets.I was just playing around with bomber missions in QC and found that when you are playing as team leader you have the option to select targets with the TAB key.Its a little wonky and doesn't seem to work at times but just keep pressing it and it will put a yellow bracket around targets.SHIFT-TAB is backwards.;) When you find the target you want then just press A for attack and they will attack this target.


From what I understand it works the same as with airplanes, they will attack the other targets in the same group.


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#3986935 - 07/28/14 12:42 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Wolfstriked]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfstriked
Originally Posted By: Olham
Originally Posted By: Wolfstriked
For my own question,what are flares used for?

Flares have no meaning in WOFF afaik.
In real life, they used them for specific signals, as they could not communicate much.
British scout leaders used green flares at the end of patrols as washout signals.
I never saw a list of which colour meant what, in German units.


I think they would be great as a way for flight leader to show his intentions.Starting the climb out:D,attack,RTB,land at this airbase.When you become flight leader your plane could shoot the correct color flares for each of the commands you give.


This is exactly what we do in Rise of Flight multiplayer coop missions.
Red is attack signal, green is to regroup on leader (and give the take off signal), white for the leader is all RTB, white for a wingman is "I leave the flight and RTB" - also a white flare is fired on approach of airfield to signal you are landing. Which leaves yellow for anything particular linked to the mission and decided before take off.


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#3986937 - 07/28/14 12:50 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Originally Posted By: Robert_Wiggins
The time spent pre-planning the map route is probably more than I can spare as I spend considerable time on the flights and the vids already.


This is why I prefer flying less missions but have the time to plan, fly and report. smile2


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#3986944 - 07/28/14 01:18 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: corsaire31]  
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Originally Posted By: corsaire31
Originally Posted By: Wolfstriked
[quote=Olham][quote=Wolfstriked]For my own question,what are flares used for?



This is exactly what we do in Rise of Flight multiplayer coop missions.
Red is attack signal, green is to regroup on leader (and give the take off signal), white for the leader is all RTB, white for a wingman is "I leave the flight and RTB" - also a white flare is fired on approach of airfield to signal you are landing. Which leaves yellow for anything particular linked to the mission and decided before take off.


The functionality is already partially in WOFF but the programming of when the AI will shoot flares is not,so its one for the wish list.;)

#3987038 - 07/28/14 09:00 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: MFair]  
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May your pilot do well and live a long life.

I doubt the second part will come true, but heck, let's not make the new guys nervous...
What about a drink? Newbies buy the drinks - did nobody mention that yet?


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#3987040 - 07/28/14 09:09 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Corsaire, Uwe and I had similar flare signals in online co-ops.

White = Leader only: Start signal / also Landing signal / also "attack designated target"

Red = Immediate danger (usually enemy aircraft at strike range overhead)

Green = Leader: Re-assemble here; wingman: I lost contact (answered with green from leader)

Yellow = I have a problem / I'm wounded - I return to base or put the craft down



In Otto Fuchs' book I read the Germans also had a "multi-stars flare" with many white stars.



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#3987059 - 07/28/14 12:08 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Finally made it over 25 hours:



We lost only two men KIA and one Aviatik in today's missions, so it was a good day!


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#3987060 - 07/28/14 12:13 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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With the Aviatik, this is a real performance ! Congrats ! thumbsup


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#3987068 - 07/28/14 12:29 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Thanks. My pilot's motto is "Discretion is the better part of valour!" biggrin

You have to develop a certain skill of evading danger when flying an Aviatik in 1916. Nupes and DH.2s can be avoided with some luck, so I'm actually more worried about engine malfunctions and Archie than enemy aircraft. We tend to fly missions uncomfortably deep behind enemy lines, so getting an engine failure there would most likely be fatal. I've had two engine failures so far, but fortunately they happened when I was safely behind friendly lines.


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#3987077 - 07/28/14 01:03 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Yeah, it is a great job in the Aviatik.

I had a dicey mission yesterday down in Alsace with Jasta 14 patrolling friendly airspace to the North of us. My wing and I ran into two N11s when we spotted flak smoke above a friendly airfield. We had altitude advantage as I dove head on into one of them and sent his engine smoking. Wilm, my wingman, go behind the second who got behind me, but soon lost his advantage. I pulled a flip turn and sent this N11s engine smoking too before finally pilot killing him.

We circled the friendly airfield for awhile before setting off for home. As we approached our home field we again saw flak smoke. Turned out to be two more N11s which we took out in much the same fashion as the prior two. I filed 4 claims.

Today i recieved confirmation of my transfer to Jasta 1. Seems odd seeing Halbs on the airstrip! I was tasked with leading two Halbs on a combat patrol over front lines in my Fokker EIII. We spotted flak smoke below us and I dove down to investigate. I lined up on the lead plane, unsure of its make. Just as I shot a few bursts into it I realized they were Morane Ls. As I heard the pilot take a hit my plane was hit by the tailgunner of another Morane and I saw red! Made it home to bertincourt wounded and landed. Filed a claim on the Morane.

Due to being wounded time advanced to August 6. WOFF awarded me a medal, the Albrechts - Ordens klasse 2 mit Schwerten upon confirming my claims.

#3987210 - 07/28/14 03:48 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Well done Hasse. Twenty-five hours is an impressive milestone in a slow aircraft with decidedly weak defensive options. And doing it 'full-real' as well. Nice!

Flying at the toughest level (A category) seems to be a charm so far ... I am reading the chart right, no 'A' flyers have died yet? Not what I might have expected.

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