#3983601 - 07/20/14 08:42 PM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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#3983616 - 07/20/14 09:31 PM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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Personally, I think the Golden Ball should have gone to Tim Howard. Best goalie of the World Cup.
Now, then, can we talk about how to make this game more American Friendly?
1) Stop the clock for goodness sake! The whole "added time" thing is as inscrutable and arbitrary sounding as BCS rankings. Sixty seconds left....score 1-0...can they hold on? Dumb question - five minutes added to the game by the referees. Even the announcers are wondering how much time will be added until the thing is held up showing it.
2) Ditch the three substitution rule. Rotate them in and out at will like every other team sport. "Messi looks tired, send in Loeffie* in for ten minutes and then we'll put him back in." Let's get some Special Teams action going, like the Free Kick team. Goal scoring and pacing will come up as we keep fresh players on the field.
3) Timeouts. Three per team. We saw that water breaks didn't really impede the game, so let's get a three minute time out to be called at appropriate times (like when it goes out of bounds) so they can adjust tactics.
4) Two fifteen minute sessions for overtime? Are y'all serious? They're concurrent, so just make it half an hour.
5) No ties. Sheesh; it's a contest of skill on a field, not a dance recital. Sport is combat by other means, let's keep it that way.
* Look, a pun in German!
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#3983663 - 07/21/14 01:04 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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You forgot to get rid of off sides. It'll increase the score and make it more exciting.
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#3983672 - 07/21/14 01:38 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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So the next time someone is loosing a war they call a timeout to adjust tactics.
It is a game of conditioning. Not fit, you stay on the sidelines.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#3983676 - 07/21/14 01:57 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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So the next time someone is loosing a war they call a timeout to adjust tactics.
It is a game of conditioning. Not fit, you stay on the sidelines. QFT!.
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#3983713 - 07/21/14 03:59 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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Personally, I think the Golden Ball should have gone to Tim Howard. Best goalie of the World Cup.
I don't know what kind of thought process went into giving Messi the ball. Consolation I guess, but I agree, certainly not the brightest player of the tournament.
Now, then, can we talk about how to make this game more American Friendly?
1) Stop the clock for goodness sake! [...]
2) Ditch the three substitution rule. [...]
3) Timeouts. Three per team. [...]
4) Two fifteen minute sessions for overtime? Are y'all serious? They're concurrent, so just make it half an hour.
5) No ties. [...]
1) Yes, I'd like that. One could even go as far as envisioning a radio remote control in the referee's wristwatch, so you could have a "master" time being kept and that's all you have. FIFA is very apprehensive of technology, though. 2) I don't know... the idea of this rule is to prevent that kind of thing you say, the players must be fit or you have to have more of them. No wonder-boy is going to save you. 3) Could be. 4) #4 is there for a good reason. Normally, supporters of both teams go separate. It's arranged so that one, one... erm, don't know how to say it in English, the rectangular thing where you're supposed to put the ball into. has supporters from one team directly behind, and the other rectangular thing has supporters from the opposite team. By switching sides nobody misses the action. 5) Nah, that wouldn't work. Teams would be out of the tournament too early. The whole point of ties is to keep things interesting, otherwise most teams would have played only one game and then gone home. That bad for the people and for the business... and FIFA likes business a lot. I don't know about the offside rule, but I'll go with "keep it". But I'd add "a fake injury is penalized by the same consequences the accused attacker had faced if found guilty". Easy to say, hard to implement of course, but that would be lovely for sure.
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#3983725 - 07/21/14 04:40 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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On #5, make it double elimination until the quarter final.
I like the offside rule, it's like hockey.
On substitution, it'll still be like basketball, where the star players just keep playing - but if one of the regular guys is having an off game, out he goes.
They have a "diving" penalty, IIRC - this WC had much less melodramatic acting as the last one I watched.
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#3983742 - 07/21/14 05:19 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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The real reason for the 2*15 minutes instead of 1*30 is of course that games are played in the open. Position of the sun (in your face or not), wind etc. all can influence the game. At least with the switching sides that advantage is largely negated.
Stop the clock? IMHO this makes it more interesting not to do so. Let the players become more adaptable to a different game of the opponent. Trainers don't spend enough time on this IMHO. Besides, the game already lasts 90 minutes (plus extra time, and maybe extension). Why make it slower by adding time-outs?
No ties? Why not. It makes the individual games maybe a tad more interesting, but the tournament much less so. Besides, too many games would need to be decided by penalties (unless other rules are implemented) - and penalties are notoriously too much dependent on luck. Besides, looking at the game that Costa Rica played against the Netherlands (the 9-1 formation, hundreds of balls outside the playing field, all so they could go to a penalties-decision) I don't even think it will become more interesting.
Just my opinion of course!
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#3983764 - 07/21/14 07:48 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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1) Stop the clock for goodness sake! Would create an incentive for more drama acting by players of the winning team. Every second that is not being played is a second in which the losing team has no chance to score a goal. Added time is supposed to make up for that, and it's quite simple. Whenever the flow of the game is interrupted the referee stops his stopwatch. After 45 minute the added time is the sum of all moments that ate away from the play time. In 95% of all games that I watched I managed to predict the amount of added time withing an error margin of +/-1 minute. It's not totally arbitrary. 2) Ditch the three substitution rule. Rotate them in and out at will like every other team sport. WITH the limit, it makes substitutions so much more meaningful. Every coach knows that he has only a limited number of personnel exchanges during a game (and the same goes for his opponent). A constant in and out puts a lot more emphasis on "the system" rather than skilled individuals. It would make it a different game. 3) Timeouts. Three per team. BOOO! Timeouts are the worst the Americans ever contributed to the world of sports. The coach can shout from the sideline, that's all that's needed. As if soccer needed more breaks of the game flow. If a team is on a roll, let it! Teams must adapt to the situation as it develops, while it develops, and that's a good thing. 4) Two fifteen minute sessions for overtime? Are y'all serious? It's an outdoor sports with sunshine and occasionally not so very level playing fields. Yes, changing sides makes still sense. 5) No ties. Sheesh; it's a contest of skill on a field, not a dance recital. Sport is combat by other means, let's keep it that way. With no ties, there would be more games with extra time and finally the penalty shootouts. That doesn't make the least of sense for regular league games. A game is 90 minutes unless in a tournament bracket, period.
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#3983803 - 07/21/14 11:47 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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A 'soccer' game is 90 minutes and is over in under 2 hours.
An American football game is 60 minutes and takes 3 hours to play because of the substitutions and timeouts.
'Soccer' is a game where the players decide the outcome while in football it is the coach who decides the outcome. The players are just programmed robots.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#3983807 - 07/21/14 11:53 AM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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To be honest, that Berlin party is shameful to my eyes.
Are people really so desperate for a source of proud identity that a match won by 11 guys happening to have the same citizenship (but often imported from many other countries) warrant a homecoming like War Heroes?
It makes perfect sense to me when you consider that showing any kind of pride for the military in Germany is considered taboo. Could you imagine a homecoming like that for German soldiers who returned from Afghanistan? No way. That's the disproportionate thing here. I just don't get people who define their self-worth by some sports success which some people with the same passport did. I don't celebrate Austrian skiing victories either.
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#3983828 - 07/21/14 12:50 PM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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With the changes Dart mentioned it would be like switching from Full Real to Arcade mode. That's exactly what you have to do in order to make something have mass appeal in the US. This applies to lots of other things like music, movies, tv shows, books, etc.
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#3983872 - 07/21/14 01:51 PM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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Foe 'soccer' to really catch on in the USA, there has to be more violence and mayhem in the game.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#3983874 - 07/21/14 01:56 PM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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Foe 'soccer' to really catch on in the USA, there has to be more violence and mayhem in the game. Eh, baseball really has very little mayhem or violence (even less than soccer) and I don't think soccer will ever be as popular as baseball in the US.
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#3983883 - 07/21/14 02:07 PM
Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers*
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And what about soccer matches in Latin America where sometimes you've even had players killed? I can't remember the last sporting event in the US where either a player or a spectator was killed intentionally. And what's with the website? Opinion article written by journalism college students? Lots of professional gravitas there...not.
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#3983893 - 07/21/14 02:22 PM
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Did one player kill the other player? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...9ers-game_n.htmHow do explain the rising appeal of cage fighting?
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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