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#3978358 - 07/08/14 10:32 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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I think they were overloaded so much with expectations, they were just mentally unprepared for even the remote possibility that they might fall behind one or two goals early in the game. When it happened they probably mentally imploded collectively. And while they were still frozen, blinking into the headlights of the onrushing truck, everything fell apart in just minutes.
After the first half they had some time to recover, but by then the game was practically over, and they knew it. The only chance was to score quickly, so they tried dives and whatnot but rather took the 6-0 instead.

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#3978362 - 07/08/14 10:36 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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#3978381 - 07/08/14 11:03 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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#3978383 - 07/08/14 11:08 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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#3978388 - 07/08/14 11:24 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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#3978393 - 07/08/14 11:34 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Brazil's disposition was way too offensive (without any safety net whatsoever), and there was no recognizable tactical plan. They were hoping to score some early goals. Instead they ran into a tactically superior team and got creamed. I would call something like that "Kamikaze" football.

Neither Argentina nor Holland (especially Holland) will make the same mistake.

Still, that was one historical game. Wow. I don't think anything like this ever happened at a World Cup semi final, ever!

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#3978456 - 07/09/14 01:58 AM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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The only criticism i have for Germany, and it must be said, is their UGLY tshirt. Man, that thing was hideous. I wonder if they used it for luck, because it's the only reason ii can think to use such an horrible tshirt, and obviously worked very well. biggrin

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#3978526 - 07/09/14 10:02 AM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Lancelot]  
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Originally Posted By: Lancelot
The only criticism i have for Germany, and it must be said, is their UGLY tshirt. Man, that thing was hideous. I wonder if they used it for luck, because it's the only reason ii can think to use such an horrible tshirt, and obviously worked very well. biggrin


Oooops, I found it way better than their traditionnal white shirt,with its 'vintage' look !

Actually, this score is some kind of earthquake at the global level...weird...Even my 95 yo dad called me at the half time (very very late for him) about the 0-5 score to share a thought for my German family-in-law !!


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#3978536 - 07/09/14 10:37 AM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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So today's game should hopefully be a bit more...ahem...competitive.


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#3978539 - 07/09/14 10:43 AM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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I was watching the game in hospital last night (was there for a minor surgery) and man, I was about to ask the nurses what kind of funny stuff they had put into our dinners. I sat there the whole first half shaking my head.


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#3978550 - 07/09/14 11:57 AM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Congrats to Germany, fully deserved. It must be a beautiful morning for German fans.

And condolences to Brazil. A thrashing like that is always a painful blow, but to have that happen as host has to be very painful indeed. Before the tournament we were all giving our predictions and analyzing the chances of various sides for this World Cup. When speaking of Brazil, I said that Brazil would fall short due to the weight of expectation. But after sorting through the fallout I would change that slightly to the weight of obligation. You can see how badly the Brazilian players wanted to win. The sense I have is they felt an obligation to win this tournament for the people of their country, to give them something to be proud of, and perhaps change the perception of the people about this World Cup, to at least in part help to justify the cost. Wouldn't the people of Brazil view it in an entirely different light if they had actually won the whole thing?

And that is pressure on an entirely different level. I feel bad for the players and the Brazilian fans. But I agree with Jayhawk and his 'Kamikaze tactics' analysis. You could be forgiven for thinking Brazil were playing 4-2-4 at the start. They pushed too far and seemed to lack any shape or coherence. And their marking was atrocious. Brazil were missing their two best players, yes, but even with Silva and Neymar I don't think this match would have ended much differently.

It was a shock.

And then there is Fred. Is there really no better striker in Brazil than Fred?

And as PanzerMeyer said let's hope we see a more competitive match today. I think we will, but ya never know.



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#3978566 - 07/09/14 12:57 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
So today's game should hopefully be a bit more...ahem...competitive.


More competitive, yes, i think so. But i think it will not be an exciting much, because we are talking about too much even teams, too defensive, and with too much respect for each other.
After yesterday, if Argentina loose by one or two goals diference, i will satisfied. And if we win, and loose on sunday also by an small margin, i will feel more than satisfied.


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#3978614 - 07/09/14 02:36 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Originally Posted By: Jayhawk
Brazil's disposition was way too offensive (without any safety net whatsoever), and there was no recognizable tactical plan. They were hoping to score some early goals. Instead they ran into a tactically superior team and got creamed. I would call something like that "Kamikaze" football.

Neither Argentina nor Holland (especially Holland) will make the same mistake.

Still, that was one historical game. Wow. I don't think anything like this ever happened at a World Cup semi final, ever!

woot



Well there was the rout of Haiti by Poland in 1974 World Cup where they won 7-0, and all goals were made by the same Polish player.

What I don't get is why they didn't pull Cesar, who was pretty much just standing there not even trying by the end. And why didn't they put Alves in? Makes no sense.

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#3978623 - 07/09/14 02:52 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Haiti has been in the World Cup? I'm honestly surprised by that.


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#3978629 - 07/09/14 03:04 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Yeah I don't think the problem was the missing Neymar or Thiago, Brasil has the same problem Spain did in the Holland match, they are so used to winning that they didn't have the mental strength or tactics to handle and come back after going down a goal or two the way so many underdog teams did this WC.

For Spain I did not feel sorry for them because they had their reign of success for so many years, but for Brasil I feel sorry for the players and the fans, you could see such high (unreal) expectations playing at home and how much the country has invested in this WC, to have it end not just in a loss but such an epic loss has to really hurt.

Congrats to Germany for a great performance.

Hope for a good match today.


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#3978804 - 07/09/14 09:21 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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And the Argie-Clogboy game is as utter boring as feared. Almost fell asleep during the first half.

#3978812 - 07/09/14 09:42 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Almost unwatchable junk. Okay, yesterday was abnormal in about every aspect, but I wish that someone would shoot a goal just to make an end of this misery.


That said, I fear that this style may be more indicative of the last two games than what we saw yesterday. Regardless which team will progress into the finals they will take their extreme security consciousness with them. I just hope that they exhaust themselves in overtime so that they will be more tired and make more mistakes in the next match, and be it just so it will be more fluid.

#3978816 - 07/09/14 09:54 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Overtime. Yay.

#3978817 - 07/09/14 09:55 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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LOL; and we're treated to 30 additional minutes of that! thumbsup (ironic thumbs up)

From my German POV, I now hope for a very exhausting additional time and many, many nerve-wrecking penalties. Say final score 12:11. smile


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#3978818 - 07/09/14 09:55 PM Re: World Cup pre/in/post-game discussion thread *spoilers* [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Yeah, it's pretty much what I feared.

I predict decision by penalties.


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