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#3976377 - 07/03/14 03:57 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart ***** [Re: Olham]  
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Afaik, WW1 planes mostly used rudder for turning, I personnally always initiate turns with rudder and stabilize with ailerons. For good coordinated turns you always need some rudder (chasing the ball in later airplanes) to avoid a "slipping turn". You also need rudder with rotary engines to counter the gyroscopic effect which sends the nose up or down following which direction you are turning in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gniHY-IGxJ4

The tutorials by Requiem were made for Rise of Flight, but they are still generally useful.

* Of course you always have to use the rudder gently ! WOFF FMs tend to consider the rudder is the same as airbrakes ! smile2
( Which can sometimes be useful like when you come too high / too fast for a landing. Throwing your plane in a slipping descent is pretty effective in cutting down the speed or avoid taking too much speed. )

** Note on the DH2 vs Eindeckers : your main advantage is roll rate (because you have ailerons and they don't), you can change direction twice faster than the Einis. You could although possibly meet some Halberstadt DIIs in July/August.

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#3976378 - 07/03/14 03:57 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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That is correct Olham. I am no great sim pilot but I have flown the DH2 a lot as it is one of my all time favorite planes. She turns well with ailerons and elevator. If you make a hard banking turn and use rudder to boot it's spin time. I would not call it a death spin. You can get out of it easy unless you are at low altitude. I received my transfer to RFC24 today so off on a mission I go. We attacked 2 EA and I thought I had one but Maj. Hawker claimed it and my word was no good against his. I formed back up on him and we circled but the other feller didn't show up so we start our climb. I am looking, looking, no enemy that I can see. OK we are good I think when RIP, Bang, tear, bloody googles. Not sure what I did for evasive maneuver but it put me into a spin. Got out of it ok, trailing black smoke headed west. Engine running OK, Fuel OK, 5 miles to the lines. Another glance behind and there is a Roland on my tail, some flyer named Olham I think. I turn and he makes a run for it so I do too. Back in the hospital but I'm still here!


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#3976410 - 07/03/14 05:07 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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I'm also in hospital for 8 days, and even then won't fly again until 14 July - we have not
enough personnel. The rate of falling men and airoplanes is far too extreme.

I'm in hospital because I tried to help.
Never do that! Let your comrades get shot to pieces - it will happen anyway - with or without you!
I was at a safe altitude of 2500 Meter, at least 400 Meter above our flight.

Sandwiched between them and me were 4 Fokker E.III - our escort.
When we got jumped by 4 or 5 Nieuports, they Fokkers did NOTHING - they kept their formation
and carried on flying, as if the whole world just was a fun fair!

Seeing our 2 Rolands struggling to fight 4 Nieuports, I went down to help Hauptmann Baermann out.
And we really drove the Nupes off soon - they all left the scene and flew back to their lines.
But by then I was wounded (77% health), and so was my observer, Oberleutnant Palz.
The right wing was sinking, if I wouldn't hold the stick halfway to the left all the time.
We were now flying at less than 500 Meters.

Now one Nieuport returned or it was a new chap, and he attacked us.
I went lower, chasing along at tree-top level in a damaged craft. Holding it balanced was a tough
job, but Palz seemed to be shooting well with his Parabellum - soon the Nieuport turned away
and flew westward. I hardly found the field at this height, but Palz clapped me on the shoulder
and pointed north - and there were the pale tents in the afternoon sun!

I somehow managed to land the "Walfisch" without crashing it, and we received immediate help.
Palz has a graze on his left arm, and I have a wound on my right tigh. Both were bleeding a lot,
but the medic said it looked worse than it was.

Palz and I were driven to the Armeehospital Cambrai, but they let us go back to Pronville after
the treatment and bandaging. Eight days no flying. Baermann thanked us for our cool intervention.

The other morning we sat on the bench outside the Starthaus, when we heard from a returning pilot,
that Hauptmann Baermann was shot down east of Arras. A bad feeling of vanity overcame both Palz
and me - we had saved Baermann only to live one more day.


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#3976412 - 07/03/14 05:10 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: MFair]  
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Originally Posted By: MFair
Another glance behind and there is a Roland on my tail, some flyer named Olham I think.

Naw, that wasn't me, MFair - I was too busy struggling to fight your comrades in Nieuports!
I hope the food is good and the nurses cute!
We were sent back to our field after bandaging - they had neither space nor time for us "lightly
wounded" airmen. Tch! Next time I come with my head under my arm - the nurses looked SOOO great!


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#3976413 - 07/03/14 05:11 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Morning Run: Up to the lines. The Sqn seems to have a live and let live attitude lately. Passed over a 2 a/c flight of Huns as we crossed the lines then turned home under 5 Av Recon 1000ft higher than us. seehearspeak Added to the insult 3 Enemy Scouts off to port flew passat about 1 NM. I broke formation hoping to sneak up on 1 Fokker E-III. It didn't work, he was on to me took 5 hits since my gunner Froze didn't fire a shot just sat there. Dove added powder and ran for home as 5 more bullets hit the wing as my frozen gunner looked ahead. I spotted and Flew over a Troop emplacement that got him to turn for home. RTB and filed for a transfer to 70 Sqn.

Afternoon: Patrol 2 a/c. My Power plant gave up as we reached the lines. I put her down on a road between Telegraph poles and a long nasty Aeroplane hateful looking fence.

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#3976415 - 07/03/14 05:13 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: carrick58]  
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Originally Posted By: carrick58
I put her down on a road between Telegraph poles and a long nasty Aeroplane hateful looking fence.

...but you left the fence alone and made it? Tough job, eyh Carrick?


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#3976417 - 07/03/14 05:17 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Olham: It temped me and I shall have it. The FEE almost didnt fit on the road and the space between the Poles and Fence.

#3976454 - 07/03/14 06:43 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Oh dear. Olham has been wounded for 11 days and I am wounded for 5 days. There are hardly any active pilots left! I was lucky to land somewhere which turned out to be just on my side of the lines. Lucky because I was spinning down full of holes with no fuel and badly wounded.


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#3976455 - 07/03/14 06:47 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Welcome to the club, Jim - good that you live!


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#3976463 - 07/03/14 06:58 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Scout_77, you have flown your first twent5 hours - and so you are the second recipient of our
"WOFF DiD Campaign Medal 25", with one silver bar. Enjoy it!




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#3976468 - 07/03/14 07:03 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Originally Posted By: Olham
Welcome to the club, Jim - good that you live!


But I am still a useless pilot because I never saw the aircraft that shot me down. I am finding WOFF very difficult but maybe I will get better with time. To tell you the truth, I am better at the IT side of this Campaign mycomputer

This is not a complaint about WOFF by the way. I don't blame the sim for my faults.


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#3976473 - 07/03/14 07:13 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: JimAttrill]  
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Originally Posted By: JimAttrill
But I am still a useless pilot because I never saw the aircraft that shot me down.

No, you're not - cause you live.
What happened to you, happened to hundreds of WW1 pilots:
they got hit (and often fatally hit), and they hadn't seen their attacker at any time.
That's the way the aces did it - no tricky turnfights.


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#3976475 - 07/03/14 07:17 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Hasse pointed out to me, that the German pilots received only 1 Ehrenbecher, for their first victory.
So I have updated the chart - thank you, Hasse!


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#3976483 - 07/03/14 07:31 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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No problem and congrats to everybody who's been decorated with new bling-bling!

In other news, my Abteilung was again wiped out today. We were returning from a railyard attack when a flight of Nupes attacked us. Result: four destroyed Aviatiks, eight dead pilots and observers. Once again I was able to cowardly flee the battle and landed safely on a friendly field.

MFFA 2 is now grounded until July 8 because my pilot and his observer are the only ones left there.

In the couple of weeks that I've been in the ranks of MFFA 2, the unit has lost 12 Aviatiks destroyed with 2 damaged and 24 pilots and observers killed with 2 wounded.

It's worse than what the inexperienced Kitchener's battalions are suffering in the battle of the Somme!


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#3976500 - 07/03/14 08:01 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Can I get an Ehrenbacher in the RFC? Well, I have one victory (somwhat accidental).

I have discovered that cowardly fleeing is the only way to stay alive here!


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#3976533 - 07/03/14 09:01 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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To make it short : fly to target - drop bombs from 10.000 ft - turn around - fly home - enjoy breakfast and go to the beach !

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#3976548 - 07/03/14 09:34 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: JimAttrill]  
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Hasse, when I read your reports, I'm wondering if Flanders north is really only a "medium" activity zone?
Maybe I shouldn't have split it up according to the real war events. Sorry, but your zone WILL eventually
earn you more points, when it becomes "hot".

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Can I get an Ehrenbacher in the RFC? Well, I have one victory (somwhat accidental).

Sure, Jim, you could get one too - if you convert to the German side! biggrin


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I have discovered that cowardly fleeing is the only way to stay alive here!

Well-ll... If you wanna climb the ladder of success and carreer, you should perhaps name it different.
You could say: "Flying smart, and to know when it's time to retreat is part of staying alive."
Doesn't that sound a whole lot better. A public relations manager taught me that. biggrin


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#3976628 - 07/04/14 03:03 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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In WOFF, I'm now flying an EIII,down in Alsace.

Squirrely Shirley, I named her.

#3976659 - 07/04/14 05:49 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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We can dance some, but not as well as I did with Sophie.

#3976676 - 07/04/14 08:05 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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"Squirrelly Shirley" is a name most Germans couldn't even spell without breaking their tongues. dizzy
A German equivalent could be "Verrckte Vera".

The Eindecker was successful, before the turnfighting happened; before the other side even had real fighters.
You can get quite good at booming and zooming and tossing and turning in an E.III - but its no comparison
to a Sopwith Strutter or even the soon coming Pup.


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