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#3968102 - 06/15/14 11:48 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart ***** [Re: Olham]  
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Whatever the decision, I'm going to "light regional air activity" which is currently allowed in "B Class" realism. That is way too many encounters.

Olham if we go with your original proposal for counting victories, it will be easier on Jim if each DiD pilot reports the corrected number of victories, than it would be for him to do all the calculations.

#3968110 - 06/15/14 11:58 AM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Don't worry about the valuation - that is my least problem; Jim and I will find an easy way.

I still never hear anyone saying something to the fact, that 11 victories in 2 sorties
are looking totally unrealistic, and if we should change that.

Forget the valuation, guys - that is not the problem here.
My problem are very high, unrealistic numbers of victories.

Any ideas there, anyone?


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#3968116 - 06/15/14 12:12 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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I wasn't the agressor looking for dogfights, the EIIIs bounced us and I was fighting for my life.
On the second sortie the flight I was in hadn't finish forming up when we were pounced upon. I narrowly avoided air collisions at least 3 times that afternoon.

I don't think 11 kills in one day, 2 sorties, is historically realistic. Easiest way for me to reduce the enemy encounters is to lighten the regional air activity.

#3968119 - 06/15/14 12:17 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Oh, on a different issue regarding flight time, some planes can have HUGE range and flight time compared to others. The Sopwiths I like to fly (with rotary engines) can spend way more time in the air than the German inline engine planes.

#3968122 - 06/15/14 12:21 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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MudWasp, it is not your fault - please don't think I was complaining about you.
It is the unrealistic number itself.
Had I been in your situation, I would have fought it out the same way, I guess.
And I might have ended with the same high number then.

Not your fault. And I would even feel bad, like taking something away from you.
A different valuation would make the points more realistic, but the sheer number
would still be present.

We'll see, if anyone else comes up with an idea about that...


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#3968129 - 06/15/14 12:35 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Aaaah, now I see what you are getting at Olham, you don't wish to see the unrealistic number of victories showing in the tally chart. More coffee was needed.

Since that is the concern, yes, you should do a devaluation scale as you propose. 3=1 is fine by me, and since this is your party Olham I say we go with your decision on this item.

I am concerned about the lack of credit given by the sim to the B/R pilots when they successfully complete their missions. As it stands now I believe the only way they will be awarded a medal is by knocking down a few EA. They should be getting recognized for getting the recce done, and/or bombing the target, and/or getting the guns aligned during an arty spot. Oh well, c'est la guerre.

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#3968131 - 06/15/14 12:36 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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I don't think your complaning about me Olham, all is good.

I do think the 2 seat Strutter has a Huge advatage over EIIIs in WOFF. I've no clue if that is historically correct. Things change quickly though with the Halb and Albs coming into the air.

#3968132 - 06/15/14 12:38 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Lou, I agree with your opinion on Bombing and recon.

#3968137 - 06/15/14 12:54 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted By: RAF_Louvert
Aaaah, now I see what you are getting at Olham, you don't wish to see the unrealistic number
of victories showing in the tally chart. More coffee was needed.

Yeah - without some cups of good coffee I'd often be lost.
So I have drawn me a map with the way from my bed to the coffee machine.
Sometimes I forget it though, to place it by my bed...

Originally Posted By: RAF_Louvert
Since that is the concern, yes, you should do a devaluation scale as you propose.
3=1 is fine by me, and since this is your party Olham I say we go with your decision on this item.

Would that feel alright for everyone? I still find it the best solution.

Originally Posted By: RAF_Louvert
I am concerned about the lack of credit given by the sim to the B/R pilots when they successfully complete their missions.
As it stands now I believe the only way they will be awarded a medal is by knocking down a few EA.
They should be getting recognized for getting the recce done, and/or bombing the target, and/or getting the guns aligned
during an arty spot.

Lou and all: give me a way to valuate all the two-seater stuff better, and I will do.
I never fly them, so I don't know, if you can easily see when you have accomplished a mission well?

I would actually like to employ you (without any pay - sorry 'bout that...).
You could think of a way to award 2-seater pilots with a set of historically correct medals.
I think you are the right man to come up with a rewarding system, that is plausible,
and that will be accepted by everyone else here. What do you say?


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#3968146 - 06/15/14 01:20 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Originally Posted By: Olham

I would actually like to employ you (without any pay - sorry 'bout that...).
You could think of a way to award 2-seater pilots with a set of historically correct medals.
I think you are the right man to come up with a rewarding system, that is plausible,
and that will be accepted by everyone else here. What do you say?


Discussed this very thing way back when:

Award Guidelines for the New OFF Medals


And here are samples of the medals that sparked the discussion:




Olham, feel free to use any and all of this in your DID Campaign if you like.

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#3968149 - 06/15/14 01:25 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Gee, that is great! Thanks a lot, Lou!
But you are still employed (or I hope so) - can you think of a valuation for two-seater pilots?
When do they get which medals; how many sorties must they fly, or how many missions must be
accomplished (can this be seen by the player?).

If you could give me at least a first idea (since the flyers are not very far yet) for the
awards of, say, 25 sorties, 50 sorties - or however you want to do that.
I'd be glad if you could take this over.


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#3968155 - 06/15/14 01:38 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Olham, as I noted in the post I linked to from 2011, look to the charts and take the kill numbers for the late period of the War and double those amounts, letting those new figures represent completed missions. As example, flying DID as a British two-seater pilot in your current campaign, you would need to complete between 18 to 24 missions to be awarded your first gallantry medal. Again as noted, by using the same figures for all periods of the war and in all areas you will be simulating how it was considerably easier to do your job as a B/R pilot early in the War and in the quieter sectors than it was later on and/or in the 'hot spots'.

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#3968159 - 06/15/14 01:43 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Olham, wasn't it you who said we should keep it simple ? winkngrin


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#3968160 - 06/15/14 01:43 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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BTW Olham, I'd be willing to act as an adviser to the COC, (Clerk of Commendations), if you would like the assistance. I served as the COC for the 209 virtual WWI squadron for over four years so I do have some experience with this.

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#3968161 - 06/15/14 01:44 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Simple is good Corsaire. I'm a big fan of simple.

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#3968167 - 06/15/14 02:03 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Yeah, I wanted it simple.
And correct.
And fair.
I wanted it simple, correct and fair.
And good-looking.
And easy to valuate.
So I wanted it simple, correct, fair, good-look...
Ah, I'll come in again!

(after the sketch "The Spanish Inquisition" by "Monty Python's Flying Circus" winkngrin )

Lou, that is great - you had the valuation charts already made!
Sorry for not looking into that link.

So well, let's keep it simple: Lou, I would like to promote you to be the CoC himself.
You just need to look over my chart once or twice every week, and tell me which medals
anyone would receive. I will then add them into the chart, before I publish it.
an you live with that promotion, Sir?

I knew it would be hard to keep it simple - but it was worth trying...


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#3968170 - 06/15/14 02:08 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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So this means we shouldn't take into account anymore the in-game awards ?
Then you need to add a way to declare successful missions for two seaters ... you will soon need a team to run the thing ! smile2

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#3968179 - 06/15/14 02:32 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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Yeah, that was the remaining question...

Maybe Lou would need assistance. What about you, Corsaire?

Well, honestly, I don't know HOW to valuate the two-seater guys;
but I DO think that they SHOULD receive a better valuation,
regarding rewards.
Maybe we must go after their flying hours - successful or not?

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#3968182 - 06/15/14 02:36 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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I've had a busy week at work, so limited time to fly, but this weekend i had some spare time. I've caught up to today's date, somewhat aided by 3 days of rain and no flying. Old Alois is still alive, still flying 2 seaters, but has transferred to a unit flying Roland Waalfisch.





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#3968190 - 06/15/14 03:12 PM Re: The "DiD Campaign Revival" - Intro, Rules, Reports & Records Chart [Re: Olham]  
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More rain, No flights, No dry clothes. I am thinking of transferring to Sea planes and shipping out to Sea. The Post came in and I got a letter from Jumbo over at 18 Sqn. Hq has been using them to patrol the lines. Who thinks up these things ? A heavy FE 2b as a fighter ? The Kicker, Before the rains, He got a confirmed kill or rather his gunner got the Fokker as he heaved the bomber around as a fighter.

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