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#3960710 - 05/31/14 02:44 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

What sense is no sense then no, then why Greece is made at all.

This is very bad, there is no sense then, then let in more targets Ashuluk do.

That explains why I have been so long I can not in Greece, not one aircraft to shoot down, I very much hope that Greece.

Let him do more targets then!

Not very well, I did this calculation Greece.


Have you try Hungary to shoot?
For the same reason was made Greece .

PS: Actually I try hard to understand you but only I guess what are you trying to say ...

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#3960756 - 05/31/14 04:45 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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In Hungary, too, is not possible to shoot, then what is the point of her doing so, there are Stealth is made, the question Why?

The Volkhov shoot the can, why it cannot be done.

NAMFI can shoot there, but there's little objective just 3 types of very small, why not at least 6 different types of targets.

Not all assignments made Cairo, very strange, let then Cairo would make the whole.

Very few types of purposes that's the problem, if you can do both in Greece and in the choice of the goal to choose such an editor, it would be good.

#3960762 - 05/31/14 04:58 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

In Hungary, too, is not possible to shoot, then what is the point of her doing so, there are Stealth is made, the question Why?

The Volkhov shoot the can, why it cannot be done.

NAMFI can shoot there, but there's little objective just 3 types of very small, why not at least 6 different types of targets.

Not all assignments made Cairo, very strange, let then Cairo would make the whole.

Very few types of purposes that's the problem, if you can do both in Greece and in the choice of the goal to choose such an editor, it would be good.



I think the problem is that it is not appropriate to shoot planes all around with a simulator (almost) real to the switch .

If you want you can choose among other sims to do so.

In principal a agree with not to do that even if in back of my mind my finger goes to the fire button if a create my self a scenario of a possible "zomby" crossing the airspace of my country ...

#3960774 - 05/31/14 05:16 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Volkhov in Hungary is made so that you can let the missiles in exercise, so this idea was previously.

NAMFI there then you can more types of purposes do in Ashuluk too well.

Cairo is not made entirely in General not all missions are made.

4 Mission in Cairo, and where else, they are not available.

Why do this at all, if you can't shoot down there, it was also possible to Cairo.

I thought I could shoot down in Greece, Phantom, Mirage, Apache, no.

#3960778 - 05/31/14 05:28 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

Volkhov in Hungary is made so that you can let the missiles in exercise, so this idea was previously.

NAMFI there then you can more types of purposes do in Ashuluk too well.

Cairo is not made entirely in General not all missions are made.

4 Mission in Cairo, and where else, they are not available.

Why do this at all, if you can't shoot down there, it was also possible to Cairo.

I thought I could shoot down in Greece, Phantom, Mirage, Apache, no.


All the above have been answered...

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#3960787 - 05/31/14 05:46 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Question what is it with stealth and why it is needed in Hungary.

Next, on the side of the + and - what it is, the rockets wanted to do.

Cairo, not all missions are still their Nope not clear when it will be made.

Stealth is not clear at all why?




#3964267 - 06/07/14 05:40 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3965686 - 06/10/14 06:51 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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18:38 - NAVY OSA:


#3966005 - 06/11/14 07:46 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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18:38 - NAVY OSA:










I try to understand the logic why OSA M navy version has one missile tracking channel and no Camera ?
Any ideas?

#3966018 - 06/11/14 09:47 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Manual page 5.

It is the opposite...


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3966034 - 06/11/14 10:54 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3966059 - 06/11/14 12:11 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Manual page 5.

It is the opposite...



In page you are reffered,is not described the risk they took to implement this version of less capable OSA !
In a vital asset like a ship,you raise up the air deference chances you have.It is matter of surviving !

All the above under the assumption that ,two missile channels+TOB are better than one channel and no TOB,or OSA AK is more capable than the
OSA-M.

#3966270 - 06/11/14 06:27 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Originally Posted By: ePap


All the above under the assumption that ,two missile channels+TOB are better than one channel and no TOB,or OSA AK is more capable than the
OSA-M.


Probably they could mount more than one OSA-M/MA on a ship....

#3966296 - 06/11/14 07:18 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
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All the above under the assumption that ,two missile channels+TOB are better than one channel and no TOB,or OSA AK is more capable than the
OSA-M.


Probably they could mount more than one OSA-M/MA on a ship....


Yes,but still this does not explain why they did not include a second missile channel+TOB.

Think the following scenario:
ASM is incoming.Detected and fired at 8 km.
One missile on air until possible hit.Missile flight time,let's say 12 sec.
Expecting the results with horror you realize(not seen at TOB) no hit,you fire another missile but it's to late....(with the second missile channel you could have your chance for a second fire )

The huge advantage of OSA AK compared to other Shorad systems(70s-90s) is that she can steer 2 missiles in one target (RF CLOS).

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#3966297 - 06/11/14 07:19 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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The Project 1144.2 Orlan (Kirov) class Guided Missile Cruiser has 2 S-300F and 2 OSA-MA system.

The Project 1135 Burevestnik (Krivak) class Frigate had also 2 OSA-MA, one at the front, one at the back...



http://youtu.be/IHioFlmcFQg?t=3m5s

Even the Project 1174 (Ivan Rogov) class Amphibious Warfare ship had 2 OSA-M systems


I really wanted to list all ships having OSA-M but it was left out, as it would completely fill the manual...
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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3966345 - 06/11/14 08:50 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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http://commi.narod.ru/bmc/r/ka3.htm

Projects 1241-2 and 1241-2PE...., only one OSA-M

And the result:





Still managed to fire twice....

#3967315 - 06/13/14 04:32 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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What could it be ?




#3967396 - 06/13/14 05:52 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Heart beat?

#3967406 - 06/13/14 06:03 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Heart beat'n faster...
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Last edited by Hpasp; 06/13/14 06:08 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3967416 - 06/13/14 06:20 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Heart beat?


...of injected pilot? His parachute ? Could be.. smile2

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