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#3964292 - 06/07/14 06:44 PM Luthier out. ED is in.  
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June 2014 Update

We would first like to apologize for the long delay in projects updates. Since the last update from Luthier, there have been some significant changes in how this project will be developed and managed. No longer will RRG be developing this project and Luthier has ceased his involvement in the project. Eagle Dynamics though will be continuing its development and honor all Kickstarter backer commitments. There is nothing more we can say about this change and it is not open for discussion.

We will be restructuring the DCS WWII: Europe 1944 forums to reflect this.

DCS WWII: Europe 1944 is still planned as a single-package option, or users can purchase individual components to integrate into DCS World.

Myself and Groove plan to provide monthly updates.

As a basic outline, here are our current development intentions:

August 2014 Fw 190 D-9 Dora
October 2014 - BF-109K
December 2014- Spitfire IX
March 2015 - P-47D-28
May 2015 - Normandy Map with period AI units
Other features like the Me.262A-1 and AI-only B-17G are also in development we but do not have a delivery data estimate at this time until these other features are further along.

In the meantime, Groove and our moderator SiThSpAwN are working to make sure that all backers, based on their level of backing, receive their entitlements.

We fully realize that you probably have many unanswered questions. We are in the process of answering those internally first, and once we do, we will update you.

In this update, we can share some updated images of the Fw 190 D-9 and Bf-109K cockpits. In future updates, Yoyo and other members of the development team will provide greater details about the various features.

Thanks,
Matt


http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2085212#post2085212

#3964300 - 06/07/14 06:54 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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Holy cow... Luthier better change planet after this...


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#3964303 - 06/07/14 07:00 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: komemiute]  
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hi reputation was iffy before this (with the clod debacle) ... now would anyone believe him


Dont think of it as being vastly outnumbered ... but just having a large target selection.

The only thing more accurate than incoming fire, is incoming friendly fire

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#3964311 - 06/07/14 07:13 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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shouldn't it be the P47-D30 btw?


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#3964321 - 06/07/14 07:50 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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Ohh boy, ohh boy.
DCS is in for rough times and even more delays.

#3964329 - 06/07/14 08:25 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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I'd be a lot happier if this included an option for a kickstarter refund. I'm not yet sure if I'd exercise that option or not, but I think it's a fair request.

At this point, the main issue I have is that they simply didn't give enough details into why this happened. I can understand Luither leaving, as if nothing else that's just one person, and people get burned out, go to different opportunists, etc. An entire team leaving however, is not something that "just happens." I'd say a few more details are warrented at the very least.

But, I'm sure the rest of the forumsphere will enjoy speculating at wild about what happened. Have fun with that wags!

PS: "There is nothing more we can say about this change and it is not open for discussionn." Heh, that's cute. You must be new to the internet...


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#3964335 - 06/07/14 08:32 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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This is just pants. I did not kickstart this as I had reservations about a standalone ad on by said party.

They should abandon the stand alone fiasco and just release individual planes to be integrated into world and edge.

Its all dodgy here and the fact they are not telling us means something went well sour somewhere.

Typical.

Maybe will will have BS3 upgrade to pay for the extra development.



Last edited by bogusheadbox; 06/07/14 08:33 PM.

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#3964336 - 06/07/14 08:32 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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A interesting update, wags update them.....
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Because there are some shared resources between projects (like cockpit systems programming), there will be some impact to our other projects. However, because much of the former RRG team is now employed by Eagle Dynamics, the impact on other Eagle projects will be minimal.


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#3964339 - 06/07/14 08:33 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: AggressorBLUE]  
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Originally Posted By: AggressorBLUE
I'd be a lot happier if this included an option for a kickstarter refund. I'm not yet sure if I'd exercise that option or not, but I think it's a fair request.

At this point, the main issue I have is that they simply didn't give enough details into why this happened. I can understand Luither leaving, as if nothing else that's just one person, and people get burned out, go to different opportunists, etc. An entire team leaving however, is not something that "just happens." I'd say a few more details are warrented at the very least.

But, I'm sure the rest of the forumsphere will enjoy speculating at wild about what happened. Have fun with that wags!

PS: "There is nothing more we can say about this change and it is not open for discussionn." Heh, that's cute. You must be new to the internet...


If you have access, you should make sure the announcement hasnt been updated at all as far as how resources are being handled.

*sniped*

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#3964341 - 06/07/14 08:33 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: sharpe26]  
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Originally Posted By: sharpe26
shouldn't it be the P47-D30 btw?


I see it. 2015, first half. March.

Refund, I'm afraid will not be possible as I'm not sure ED has access to the kickstarter funds... also, just because they picked up the bone this doesn't make them financially responsible for other people mistakes.

Luthier MIGHT be able to... but he's learning spanish somewhere else, so...

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#3964350 - 06/07/14 08:52 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Penguran]  
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Originally Posted By: Penguran
Ohh boy, ohh boy.
DCS is in for rough times and even more delays.



If anything, the brakes seems to be off now on one of the major third party projects (which is now no longer a third party one)


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#3964353 - 06/07/14 08:54 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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Originally Posted By: AggressorBLUE

But, I'm sure the rest of the forumsphere will enjoy speculating at wild about what happened. Have fun with that wags!


You already did some of that speculating yourself, though. wink

Originally Posted By: AggressorBLUE
PS: "There is nothing more we can say about this change and it is not open for discussionn." Heh, that's cute. You must be new to the internet...


Hint: we cannot commend further at this time, thus there is no point in discussing it on our forums. You can discuss freely on other forums though, quite obviously.

Originally Posted By: bogusheadbox

They should abandon the stand alone fiasco and just release individual planes to be integrated into world and edge.


I invite you to re-read the announcement. smile

Also, integrate it into EDGE? RRG's project was using EDGE already, and EDGE is not relevant to aircraft modules.

#3964354 - 06/07/14 08:55 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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Yep. If they really incorporated the RRG team, as Wags put it, any delay should be minimal.

For sure I'm going to change my 4 selectable planes... no more 262, I'll trade it with the Dora...


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#3964364 - 06/07/14 09:11 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: EtherealN]  
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Originally Posted By: EtherealN


I invite you to re-read the announcement. smile



So what does "single-package option" exactly mean. Are you still doing the DCS ww2 standalone sim ?

Last edited by bogusheadbox; 06/07/14 09:11 PM.

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#3964366 - 06/07/14 09:20 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: bogusheadbox]  
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Originally Posted By: bogusheadbox
Originally Posted By: EtherealN


I invite you to re-read the announcement. smile



So what does "single-package option" exactly mean. Are you still doing the DCS ww2 standalone sim ?


The original plan called for a seperate DCS WWII install, or you had the option to just install all the "pieces" into DCS World.

#3964367 - 06/07/14 09:24 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: bogusheadbox]  
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Originally Posted By: EtherealN


I invite you to re-read the announcement. smile



So what does "single-package option" exactly mean. Are you still doing the DCS ww2 standalone sim ?


From the OP in this thread:

"DCS WWII: Europe 1944 is still planned as a single-package option, or users can purchase individual components to integrate into DCS World."

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#3964370 - 06/07/14 09:30 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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Sounds like ED hired his team out from underneath him.

#3964372 - 06/07/14 09:37 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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I think its unfortunate that another year minimum has been tacked on to this project


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#3964389 - 06/07/14 10:24 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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This is the Updated Article:
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June 2014 Update

We would first like to apologize for the long delay in projects updates. Since the last update from Luthier, there have been some significant changes in how this project will be developed and managed. No longer will RRG be developing this project and Luthier has ceased his involvement in the project. Eagle Dynamics though will be continuing its development and honor all Kickstarter backer commitments. There is nothing more we can say about this change and it is not open for discussion.

Because there are some shared resources between projects (like cockpit systems programming), there will be some impact to our other projects. However, because much of the former RRG team is now employed by Eagle Dynamics, the impact on other Eagle projects will be minimal.

We will be restructuring the DCS WWII: Europe 1944 forums to reflect this.

DCS WWII: Europe 1944 is still planned as a single-package option, or users can purchase individual components to integrate into DCS World.

Myself and Groove plan to provide monthly updates.

As a basic outline, here are our current development intentions:

August 2014 Fw 190 D-9 Dora
October 2014 - BF-109K
December 2014- Spitfire IX
March 2015 - P-47D-30
May 2015 - Normandy Map with period AI units
Other features like the Me.262A-1 and AI-only B-17G are also in development we but do not have a delivery data estimate at this time until these other features are further along.

In the meantime, Groove and our moderator SiThSpAwN are working to make sure that all backers, based on their level of backing, receive their entitlements.

We fully realize that you probably have many unanswered questions. We are in the process of answering those internally first, and once we do, we will update you.

In this update, we can share some updated images of the Fw 190 D-9 and Bf-109K cockpits. In future updates, Yoyo and other members of the development team will provide greater details about the various features.

Thanks,
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#3964395 - 06/07/14 10:41 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
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I would say, nobody will give any money to any 3rd. Party Developer in the near future.

Just a question: if i have backed all aircrafts, will i get access in August to the Fw 190D-9 under DCS Wolrd?

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