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#3962069 - 06/03/14 02:52 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT * [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Well if you think season 4 is meandering and not pushing the story forward, the next couple of seasons will surely disappoint. Books 4 and 5 in the series feel like filler with most characters apart from Arya and Tyrion just treading water. Really dull.


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#3962072 - 06/03/14 02:58 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Both "Storm of Swords" and "Feast for Crows" are rather slow-paced compared to the first two books, with the "flow" picking up again - considerably - in "Dance with Dragons", leading to one of the meanest cliffhangers in modern popular literature. smile

So don't blame it on the show! The show is bound to the books, and has so far been for the most part very faithful to them. Some things get shortened and simplified, like the whole Sansa storyline, but the plot elements omitted are not important to the main story arc.

Season 4 is very well done, but those who have read the books are probably better able to appreciate what they are doing.


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#3962075 - 06/03/14 03:03 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Oh, and the "oh-so-offensive" belching scene lasted for 17 seconds - an eternity. rolleyes And it did serve a purpose for setting the scene for the filthy craphole that is Mole's Town.


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#3962086 - 06/03/14 03:21 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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So don't blame it on the show! The show is bound to the books,


not quite - HBO decided to 'spice' the series with gratuitous nudity and needless gore, I watched every episode of Walking Dead, there you expect the gore and it is part of the story, and they don't make it the main theme.

while GOT is now nothing more than a sequence of graphic senseless gore , so that adolescents can react like this :

"gee - look the brain is splattered all over the floor ! WOW - HE CRUSHED THAT GUYS' SKULL !!! yeah !!! yuck! look !!! WTF and that after he gouged his eyes out ! yeah !!! and did you see his teeth flying ... that was mean MOFO ..."

and there is hardly any dialogue worth mentioning, a 15 minute racap is enough and you can skip the whole season.


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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
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So don't blame it on the show! The show is bound to the books,


not quite - HBO decided to 'spice' the series with gratuitous nudity and needless gore, I watched every episode of Walking Dead, there you expect the gore and it is part of the story, and they don't make it the main theme.

while GOT is now nothing more than a sequence of graphic senseless gore , so that adolescents can react like this :

"gee - look the brain is splattered on the floor ! WOW - HE CRUSHED THAT GUYS' SKULL !!! yeah !!! yuck! look !!! WTF and that after he gouged his eyes out ! yeah !!! and did you see his teeth flying ... that was mean MOFO ..."

and there is hardly any dialogue worth mentioning, a 15 minute racap is enough and you can skip the whole season.



Jesus, give it a rest with the putting down of everyone who watches the show. Move on with your life.

#3962092 - 06/03/14 03:32 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Jesus, give it a rest with the putting down of everyone who watches the show. Move on with your life.


I don't believe that this line of argumentation you are using will get you very far in any discussion, certainly not with me wink

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Well, you are factually wrong, you are the only one with this "opinion", and at this point you are simply trolling: so welcome to my ignore list. Congrats.


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Jesus, give it a rest with the putting down of everyone who watches the show. Move on with your life.


I don't believe that this line of argument that you are using will get you very far in any discussion, certainly not with me wink


Oh you're right. I'll try to get in tune with your manbaby way of going about this, call everyone dumb and childish because they like something you don't.

#3962113 - 06/03/14 04:11 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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and there is hardly any dialogue worth mentioning, a 15 minute racap is enough and you can skip the whole season.



Hardly. The exchange alone between Tyrion and his brother in the prison was very good acting/storytelling. The series has been consistent, I know what to expect and am not disappointed.

#3962233 - 06/03/14 07:40 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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I loved the beetle story. LOL
Jaime and Tyrion always have good scenes together.


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#3962261 - 06/03/14 08:37 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
I loved the beetle story. LOL
Jaime and Tyrion always have good scenes together.


Yeah, they do. I love the obvious warmth and affection they have for each other - so at odds with the rest of their family and what we know they are both capable of. I also really like the scenes with Tyrion and Bron.

#3962277 - 06/03/14 09:16 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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from the scene where Jamie lost his arm up to the fight in (if I recall it right) that pit with the Bear, that was epic.

Graphic violence advanced the story - it was disgusting but not an end in itself , take the Red Wedding, it was a masterpiece.

I am glad I was not eating something while I was watching yesterdays episode rolleyes

#3962297 - 06/03/14 09:41 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
from the scene where Jamie lost his arm up to the fight in (if I recall it right) that pit with the Bear, that was epic.

Graphic violence advanced the story - it was disgusting but not an end in itself , take the Red Wedding, it was a masterpiece.

I am glad I was not eating something while I was watching yesterdays episode rolleyes


I just watched the episode and honestly, I think you're overreacting.

Yes, it was brutal and very grafic. But worse than a lot of other scenes? I don't think so.

I've read all the books and so far the TV series is spot on with how I envisioned the world of GoT.


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#3962308 - 06/03/14 10:15 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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there is a scene where Arya and her friends have just been arrested and some soldiers are about to Garrot one of them (he also vanished from the story) that was very brutal, but again, it advanced the story, my point seems not being understood, now graphical violence IS the story, it is not the context anymore.

in Blade Runner, Riddley Scott cut off a similar scene where "dr eldon tyrell" dies, in the original version , that cut happend right before it became a 'grand guignol' .

Because otherwise that would be called a cheap trick , something no self respecting director wants to be accused of. In the Director's cut he added the complete bloody scene, by then of course Scott was no longer in his prime as a Director.


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Ok... I had to see what all the fuss is about, I skipped the whole show to watch the fight. Honestly guys, YOU didn't see that coming. LOL

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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
...my point seems not being understood...


Or maybe we just disagree with you.


"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"

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#3962456 - 06/04/14 05:35 AM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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I think it's fair to say that the pay channels will work hard to capitalize on showing what others can't---in particular nudity/sex but also violence. The others are definitely catching up, you see things on broadcast tv that even 15 years ago would've caused a major uproar. Seems like I've seen a lot more of the eye gauging thing in the last year or so than ever, whereas it was usually implied off camera before. I can't put show/movie titles to it, but I do think there is an ever-present tendency to push the boundaries with effects like that where it might not be necessary. Not completely out of line for GoT, but I see where Tom's coming from.
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#3962561 - 06/04/14 12:09 PM Re: dumb , dumber, GOT [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Eveeyone is entitled to their opinions and they can love or hate the show. Only confusing part will be complaining about it at the end of season 4 when sex and violence has been going on for a gopd 4 seasons. I mean do we really need two prostitutes banging each other while little finger gives the back story on Ned? Or is that ok because it was considered moving the plot along.

Anyway if you think season 4 is slow....well you may want to watch next two episodes where a lot will happen...after that Danve with Dragons was extremely slow....


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I thought it was a great episode, and yes, Arya's moment was definitely a classic that will become an internet meme in 5...4...3...2...1...

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The highlight of the episode, for me, was when Sansa finally started playing the game.

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