oh komemiute who many times wrote that he was on the team ch, only flexman anything about it did not know lololol.

Oh Sweety, you're not improving.
Do your parents know you're on the internet without them?

No papa, i just dont like liars.And eot, for five years people still will be ask here when go out full version of ch.

I see that you still fail to mention how a product in development which is collecting no money is a scam.
Or to type correctly, for what it's worth.

You are a liar.

CH may never be released, that is true.

However it has not cost you a cent.

It is not a scam.

Complain if it makes you feel better, but don't lie.

- Horsey

Of course this is not a scam in the literal sense of the word this.but .... how it will be looked for some time, we'll see.

For sure flexman many times cheated all regarding the date of release.I do not have bad intentions, just have a good heart, and warn the people, who do not know what's going on.Talk vain, is repeated from time to time, and the game as it was not so no.

What are you warning people about?

What danger might befall them if CH is never released?

If it is never released it will be a great pity, but life will go on.

'Cheating' implies knowledge of wrongdoing and you have shown no proof of that, you have also used that word incorrectly.

Please be more careful with words you don't understand.

Or if you do understand these words, please stop lying.

- Horsey

I can specify a number of examples, but it does not make sense.People who follow CH from the beginning as well know how it looks.


Yes, I use only the translator, do not know English.Maybe because my posts look strong aggressively;)
I do not know how many words are similar to the scam, that will be more responsive to the truth.

Edit : We return to this subject for some time, then you will understand before what warned.Because everyone knows this
who has experience in programming.

I said this 2 years ago, best thing these guys could do is release an ah64a or d model as a third party module for Dcs. Why reinvent the wheel, just put it in Dcs and make some money to move on to your own gig if you want...or stay with Dcs. The recent success of the third part modules has made this a viable option. I guess CH could just ignore me and continue to release nothing....which sounds like insanity to me. This thing is headed on the path of jet thunder...some bodies' pipe dream.....go Dcs .....build it and they will come.

Unfortunately that wasn´t the driving force that pushed Flexman to start this project...

Well said Skoop with this insanity;)
For me, insanity is this whole project- work for 10-15 people made by two.It's just physically impossible.
I wonder when Mr. F understand this simple fact.

DCS has already been discussed:

Official word on DCS World

This project currently belongs to Flex and AD.

They are developing it the way they want to.

Lots of brilliant people are 'insane'.

'Sane' people rarely create anything interesting.

- Horsey

Or don't create anything at all, which is the case here. Like I said this is jet thunder, never gonna happen. Best hope they have is going Dcs, they chose not to, so I guess that's why we have nothing.

You've also lost nothing.

Quit your whining.

- Horsey

You realize that the leatherneck team that brought us DCS mig-21 took the effort of 4 to 5 guys, and that's just the plane. The combat helo guys want to design every thing from square 1, with 2 guys ??? Sorry but I'm calling BS on this operation. I just hate to see all the work go to waste and the sim community gets nothing. If they had gone DCS then we would have an apache and they would have some cash, sounds like simple perspective to me.

Number one project killer in the software world, take on too ambitious a project with out supporting resources and nothing gets done.

Be back in another two years, bet nothing will change here.....Late...

Another post.

More whining.

You've also produced nothing.

Come back in two years and tell us what else you've achieved.

- Horsey

I'm a sim consumer, I don't have to produce anything, but my dollars will be spent on sims when they are actually released.

Doesn't look like that's happening here any time soon.

More whining.

You've even admitted CH hasn't cost you any of your 'dollars'.

- Horsey

Edit: I also wouldn't be surprised if CH still hasn't been released in two years, but I can't abide this poisonous attitude toward people who have done you no harm.

I'm the same, I have absolutely no idea why this attitude exists. Flexman may have quite ambitious in CH but at the same time, and whether we see it released or not the decision on how it is developed is his choice. It's plain to see that he has a massive amount of pride in his work and although CH is something that he has/is working on in his time outside of his day-job I don't think anyone one else is in any sort of position to recommend or judge what course of action he should be taking to get it released.

Look, I think you guys are tunneling in to my abrasive delivery of the constructive criticism I'm giving, rather than actually listen to what I'm saying. I'm not wishing anyone one harm, ill will, or spreading toxic behavior.

I'm also not going to sugar coat either or play cheerleader. It's been 15 years since a true apache sim has been released, and an indie 2 man team is working on one. It just baffles me that Dcs is offering an sdk for 3rd party devs to contribute under their umbrella, but these guys choose to start from scratch.

As a sim consumer, it doesn't convey confidence in their plan to bite off such an ambitious undertaking and just work on it in off time since 2009. If they truely believe in the plan, crowd fund, do 100 dollar early access packages, do something to hire a 10 man team to get this done. I've seen nothing but blogging and posting.

If they are going to stay with a 2 man team, then Dcs is the logical path. The mig-21 sold for 49.99 bucks on release, that's about what these guys are probaly going to sell their sim for. You guys keep saying we've lost nothing, but we've lost time. Are we going to have to go 10 more years before someone gets an apache sim built ?