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#3931711 - 03/29/14 12:13 PM Go to field black screen and random crash  
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hello, just did a clean install of WOFF and patched to latest 1.19 all works and i like the sim very much , i have good fps 30-60 and woff plays well but i have a problem,

my specs are in my sig , and i run win 8.1 (i know my gfx card is old but its playable even on all 5 settings, its better if i lower the settings i have it default terrain and scenery 3)

i start the WOFF icon as an administrator,

i go to Quick combat create a new pilot and then Go to Field , the screen turns black and i hear the sound of an engine starting (i see the windows taskbar comes to front) then after a couple of seconds of black screen a loading screen comes up and then i fly in the game.

Is this black screen normal? i'm suppose to see something when i hear the engine sound? sometimes the game crashes (WOFF.EXE,CFS.EXE) right there on black screen but sometimes after the crash it loads and works, the exchange of woff.exe woff.dll and cfs3.exe seems a little awkward like something isnt working right

thank you

Last edited by psy; 03/29/14 12:35 PM.

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#3931716 - 03/29/14 12:34 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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I have the same thing when starting the game, a couple of seconds with a black square on a white screen before the loading screen kicks in.
The difference is that I never had any crash, but i'm happy I'm not running Windows 8 ... smile2


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#3931748 - 03/29/14 01:56 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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psy,

Are you able to run cfs3.exe in Windows XP mode? I haven't played around with Windows 8.1 much, but I assume there's a way to do that.

I would give that a try first. If the behavior continues under XP mode, the next possible solution is a different version of your video driver. Are you running the latest available version?


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#3931760 - 03/29/14 02:35 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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hi ,

corsaire31@
alright, so that black screen is ok and yeah the microsoft messed it up with win 8 what are they thinking...

Slick Wilhelm@
my drivers are the latest version (legacy that is) but works ok with all games and original cfs3,

i start the game only with WOFF.exe and when you press "Go to field" i assume that WOFF runs CFS3.exe, between WOFF and CFS3 loading i have a black screen which seems that all this switching is like you press alt-tab and WOFF.exe crashes or CFS3.exe crashes but it doesnt happen always i tried all compatibility modes but its the same(exept i get DXwindowINIT error) sometimes crash WOFF.exe,sometimes CFS.exe and sometimes works ok

while on black screen if i click with the mouse a couple of times random on screen it crashes with apphangb1 error ,i'll make more tests to see if i can find something to make it run stable

i think the best solution is to install windows 7 and try again :/

Last edited by psy; 03/29/14 03:02 PM.

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#3931813 - 03/29/14 04:28 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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psy,

Did you try to reinstall WOFF? because it sounds like a corruption in your game files. I'd backup your keybindings and pilots (use Robert's utility), uninstall WOFF completely from your system including appdata and registry values. Then reinstall WOFF and DirectX again.

#3931820 - 03/29/14 04:41 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: yaan98]  
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Originally Posted By: yaan98
psy,

Did you try to reinstall WOFF? because it sounds like a corruption in your game files. I'd backup your keybindings and pilots (use Robert's utility), uninstall WOFF completely from your system including appdata and registry values. Then reinstall WOFF and DirectX again.


If you uninstall, make sure you use the uninstall tool provided by WOFF in the "tools" folder.


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#3931859 - 03/29/14 06:08 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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i'll try uninstall with the tool and see again thx


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#3931881 - 03/29/14 07:20 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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after reinstall the same happens , seems like WOF.exe waits for CFS3.exe to start but cfs3 take a lot of time to start and wof crashes or win 8.1 thinks wof have stop responding and crash it ...


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#3931885 - 03/29/14 07:35 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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Interesting. Is there an error message box? What does the "woff.log" say? - look in C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\Logs

#3931904 - 03/29/14 08:19 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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the windows msg is :

--------------------
Description:
A problem caused this program to stop interacting with Windows.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: AppHangXProcB1
Application Name: WOFF.exe
Application Version: 4.3.0.20
Application Timestamp: 530c8555
Hang Signature: 645d
Hang Type: 134250496
Waiting on Application Name: CFS3.exe
Waiting on Application Version: 3.1.0.30203
OS Version: 6.3.9600.2.0.0.256.48
Locale ID: 1032
Additional Hang Signature 1: 645d4f439116e43c6c31ae178bdc825c
Additional Hang Signature 2: 10a7
Additional Hang Signature 3: 10a7137a0407d7663d4d71847ffa364f
Additional Hang Signature 4: 645d
Additional Hang Signature 5: 645d4f439116e43c6c31ae178bdc825c
Additional Hang Signature 6: 10a7
Additional Hang Signature 7: 10a7137a0407d7663d4d71847ffa364f

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C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt
-------------------

Woff.log

------------------
2014/03/29 22:10:41 WOFF DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH 4.1.9.2.DEBUG
2014/03/29 22:10:41 Patcher starts...
2014/03/29 22:10:41 Patcher bufferLength 0x000003E8 messageBuffer 0x0F032D6C
2014/03/29 22:10:41 Patcher: Validate returned ''
2014/03/29 22:10:41 Patcher: options validated. applying patches
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: about to CreateEvent(PatchGo)
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: PatchGo handle 0x00000550
2014/03/29 22:10:41 WARNING PatchMemorySync: 'PatchGo' already existed. Resetting existing event ...
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: about to CreateEvent(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: PatchDone handle 0x00000388
2014/03/29 22:10:41 WARNING PatchMemorySync: 'PatchDone' already existed. Resetting existing event ...
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: Launching game
2014/03/29 22:10:41 EXE 'C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\CFS3.exe'
2014/03/29 22:10:41 DIR 'C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\'
2014/03/29 22:10:41 CMD 'cfs3'
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: waiting for sync
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: sync obtained
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync::Done: terminate=0
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync::Done: SetEvent(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: waiting for game to end
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: GameDone
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: CloseHandle(process)
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: CloseHandle(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: CloseHandle(PatchGo)
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: FIN
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: ApplyPatches complete
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: returning results
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: errors.cstring 0x00000000
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: errors.len 0x00000000
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: messageBuffer set
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher returns 0
2014/03/29 22:13:23 Patcher starts...
2014/03/29 22:13:23 Patcher bufferLength 0x000003E8 messageBuffer 0x12376E44
2014/03/29 22:13:23 Patcher: Validate returned ''
2014/03/29 22:13:23 Patcher: options validated. applying patches
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: about to CreateEvent(PatchGo)
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: PatchGo handle 0x00000404
2014/03/29 22:13:23 WARNING PatchMemorySync: 'PatchGo' already existed. Resetting existing event ...
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: about to CreateEvent(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: PatchDone handle 0x00000370
2014/03/29 22:13:23 WARNING PatchMemorySync: 'PatchDone' already existed. Resetting existing event ...
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: Launching game
2014/03/29 22:13:23 EXE 'C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\CFS3.exe'
2014/03/29 22:13:23 DIR 'C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\'
2014/03/29 22:13:23 CMD 'cfs3'
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: waiting for sync
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: sync obtained
2014/03/29 22:13:24 PatchMemorySync::Done: terminate=0
2014/03/29 22:13:24 PatchMemorySync::Done: SetEvent(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:13:24 PatchMemorySync: waiting for game to end
----------------------------

the thing is that if you wait the cfs3.exe loads and you can play but when you quit there is no WOFF.exe running and you just exit to desktop , sometimes at windows msg if you dont press close this program and just let it there it works after you quit from mission (cfs3.exe)
there must be some kind of bug here i dont know maybe the devs can look at this behavior smile cause apart of this works ok


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#3931932 - 03/29/14 09:32 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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Do not close WOFF it stays running and idle waiting for CFS3. It is normal, and not "odd" it works fine for many happy users, and OFF worked the same way also for many people.

See the FAQ for installing and configuring WOFF. Maybe try changing graphics settings as per the FAQ.
Make sure your AV is disabled, maybe it's interfering (see FAQ).

At first you say "just did a clean install of WOFF and patched to latest 1.19 all works and i like the sim very much , I have good fps 30-60 and woff plays well but i have a problem,"

Yes there is a black screen briefly, but if it all works just ignore it ?

Windows 8.1 no comment. Windows 7 was fine and I think Windows 9 will be much different from 8!

Also that video card you say beta drivers, try not using beta drivers and see. BETA= test =possible issues etc etc.


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#3931949 - 03/29/14 10:10 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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I agree with Pol about your graphics settings.

You need to roll back your video drivers to stable and not beta. Reduce your WOFF settings in workshop to minimum - all 1's, low air activity, x2 multisampling. Remove any aa settings through your driver control panel and basically get the minimum settings. I think your video card is complaining.

Without being infront of your computer, there are too many possibilities. Could be even due to malware.

#3931959 - 03/29/14 10:53 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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ATI 4850 is a 4 generation ago video card that may just have enough horsepower to adequately run WOFF. I know because my old laptop that could run OFF3 just fine with a 5760M video card, had the same problem of a "black screen" when trying to play WOFF.


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#3931961 - 03/29/14 10:54 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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ok i'll just let it to load without pressing anything while in black screen and seems to work most of the time, the main problem is win 8.1 that causes this error else is normal behavior from what you say,

i know about the drivers but they are ok in all games/apps i tried (cfs3,rise of flight,dcs world, ps2 emulators and many others...) either way i installed another better version i found now but no change on behavior, i use NOD32 antivirus without a problem for many years and the pc is clean(you have to trust me on this smile ), anyway ok i reduced all gfx to 1 and loads more quickly now (WOFF looks great even on gfx 1 settings), if i got in serious trouble i'll write again , thx for support

ps. (ati 4850 is a little below 6750 in performance , its not a low range card like many from ati with higher model numbers but it is old and below the minimum reqs WOFF states in website i know that and i'm glad it works ok fps wise)

Last edited by psy; 03/29/14 11:29 PM.

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#3931980 - 03/29/14 11:52 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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alright all these seems to do the trick :

all gfx settings to 1,
normal terrain textures,
WOFF compatibility mode : windows 7
AnKor's D3D9 Mod (WOFF_D3D9_Extended.20140325.Beta.zip) with NoMultisampling=1 (for better fps),
[^without this mod cfs3.exe crash with dxinit error if i set WOFF compatibility mode windows 7]

now its stable no more crash whatever i do at the black screen! thanks for all suggestions

Last edited by psy; 03/29/14 11:56 PM.

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#3931985 - 03/30/14 12:15 AM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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Sounds good psy, maybe also look at your DirectX maybe you need dx9 installed too.

Also other ATI settings (AA, Aniso etc and other settings) or video resolution settings may help.

Also make sure you are not "enhancing the application" AA override it instead otherwise you are adding one on top of the other (much more vid memory).





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#3931993 - 03/30/14 12:58 AM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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Originally Posted By: psy
the windows msg is :

--------------------
Description:
A problem caused this program to stop interacting with Windows.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: AppHangXProcB1
Application Name: WOFF.exe
Application Version: 4.3.0.20
Application Timestamp: 530c8555
Hang Signature: 645d
Hang Type: 134250496
Waiting on Application Name: CFS3.exe
Waiting on Application Version: 3.1.0.30203
OS Version: 6.3.9600.2.0.0.256.48
Locale ID: 1032
Additional Hang Signature 1: 645d4f439116e43c6c31ae178bdc825c
Additional Hang Signature 2: 10a7
Additional Hang Signature 3: 10a7137a0407d7663d4d71847ffa364f
Additional Hang Signature 4: 645d
Additional Hang Signature 5: 645d4f439116e43c6c31ae178bdc825c
Additional Hang Signature 6: 10a7
Additional Hang Signature 7: 10a7137a0407d7663d4d71847ffa364f

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C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt
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Woff.log

------------------
2014/03/29 22:10:41 WOFF DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH 4.1.9.2.DEBUG
2014/03/29 22:10:41 Patcher starts...
2014/03/29 22:10:41 Patcher bufferLength 0x000003E8 messageBuffer 0x0F032D6C
2014/03/29 22:10:41 Patcher: Validate returned ''
2014/03/29 22:10:41 Patcher: options validated. applying patches
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: about to CreateEvent(PatchGo)
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: PatchGo handle 0x00000550
2014/03/29 22:10:41 WARNING PatchMemorySync: 'PatchGo' already existed. Resetting existing event ...
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: about to CreateEvent(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: PatchDone handle 0x00000388
2014/03/29 22:10:41 WARNING PatchMemorySync: 'PatchDone' already existed. Resetting existing event ...
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: Launching game
2014/03/29 22:10:41 EXE 'C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\CFS3.exe'
2014/03/29 22:10:41 DIR 'C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\'
2014/03/29 22:10:41 CMD 'cfs3'
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: waiting for sync
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: sync obtained
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync::Done: terminate=0
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync::Done: SetEvent(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:10:41 PatchMemorySync: waiting for game to end
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: GameDone
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: CloseHandle(process)
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: CloseHandle(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: CloseHandle(PatchGo)
2014/03/29 22:13:07 PatchMemorySync: FIN
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: ApplyPatches complete
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: returning results
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: errors.cstring 0x00000000
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: errors.len 0x00000000
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher: messageBuffer set
2014/03/29 22:13:07 Patcher returns 0
2014/03/29 22:13:23 Patcher starts...
2014/03/29 22:13:23 Patcher bufferLength 0x000003E8 messageBuffer 0x12376E44
2014/03/29 22:13:23 Patcher: Validate returned ''
2014/03/29 22:13:23 Patcher: options validated. applying patches
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: about to CreateEvent(PatchGo)
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: PatchGo handle 0x00000404
2014/03/29 22:13:23 WARNING PatchMemorySync: 'PatchGo' already existed. Resetting existing event ...
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: about to CreateEvent(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: PatchDone handle 0x00000370
2014/03/29 22:13:23 WARNING PatchMemorySync: 'PatchDone' already existed. Resetting existing event ...
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: Launching game
2014/03/29 22:13:23 EXE 'C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\CFS3.exe'
2014/03/29 22:13:23 DIR 'C:\OBDSoftware\WOFF\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\'
2014/03/29 22:13:23 CMD 'cfs3'
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: waiting for sync
2014/03/29 22:13:23 PatchMemorySync: sync obtained
2014/03/29 22:13:24 PatchMemorySync::Done: terminate=0
2014/03/29 22:13:24 PatchMemorySync::Done: SetEvent(PatchDone)
2014/03/29 22:13:24 PatchMemorySync: waiting for game to end
----------------------------

the thing is that if you wait the cfs3.exe loads and you can play but when you quit there is no WOFF.exe running and you just exit to desktop , sometimes at windows msg if you dont press close this program and just let it there it works after you quit from mission (cfs3.exe)
there must be some kind of bug here i dont know maybe the devs can look at this behavior smile cause apart of this works ok



The logs look good to me. All of those returns codes of "0" mean that it was successful and no errors were encountered. That is a common return code for "all is well".

In playing today, I noticed that I also get the black screen before the loading screen. That perfectly normal. But, I do not get an engine sound during these screens.

psy, are your video drivers beta drivers or WHQL certified? You said they were "legacy" drivers, but that isn't a common term used when discussing drivers.


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#3932090 - 03/30/14 12:40 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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@Polovski
i had directx9 installed and everything else worked fine on my machine , i still think that all this are quirks of old cfs3 running on 8.1, no problem now so i'm happy flying old planes :), i got even the settings up to 3 and there is no problem with crash now (maybe something with old cfs3.exe dont get initialized right until you apply compatibility settings and even then i dont know exactly what make it tick right this time cause i tried compatibility settings and before,anyway no problem now)

@Slick Wilhelm
Ati dont support win 8.1 official for HD 4000 series of cards(they are old but ati just suck at this), they have legacy drivers WHQL certified for win 8 and 7 etc.. but thats not the case cause their drivers works fine on 8.1 or you can have the drivers windows 8.1 includes for this card by microsoft but ati's drivers are faster and works alright cause i know it and test it, i'm into computers from the commodore 64 era so i know what i'm doing most of the time learning from mistakes and experiments wink


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#3932094 - 03/30/14 12:57 PM Re: Go to field black screen and random crash [Re: psy]  
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I don't think it's CFS3 related in that, for me, the only time I would get that message is with Ankor's mod.
Depends on the version of it. The latest one that I d/l'ed (about 3 weeks ago) works fine - the previous version caused just the problems you described.


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by F4UDash4. 03/18/24 10:01 PM
RIP Gemini/Apollo astronaut Tom Stafford
by semmern. 03/18/24 02:14 PM
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