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#3925831 - 03/17/14 07:23 AM Missing Airliner  
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Use this thread if you wish to continue the discussions and theories around this tragedy. I'm sure that anyone derailing it again will be spoken to by Murphy.


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#3925836 - 03/17/14 07:49 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Was wondering about that.

Looking at the list in wiki this morning of unexplained aircraft disappearances. There are many.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aerial_disappearances

If this remains unresolved it will go down as the greatest loss of life in an unexplained disappearance.

And someone has already put this one down to hijacking on Wiki, which should be corrected.

In this case it is all still speculation but in the absence of evidence, if it is a question of human error vs conspiracy, I go with human error every time.

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#3925841 - 03/17/14 08:25 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Well, there IS plenty of evidence that pretty much rules out simple human error. Different systems of the aircraft were switched off at different times. Much of the lack of evidence (e.g. no sign of wreckage) is easiest explained if the aircraft changed course. That all makes it most likely that it was a deliberate attempt to steal the plane, and to gain time by leaving as few traces as possible.

Combine these elements and the easiest explanation becomes ... a conspiracy. It's unlikely that this was done by a single person, or without preparation.

We don't know the purpose of the conspiracy yet, nor whether the plane theft was successful (maybe it crashed into the Indian Ocean after all), and we don't know what happened to the passengers (although I'm not optimistic about their fate). But that doesn't mean that the theory of "human error" requires fewer assumptions to explain what's there - and what's missing.

#3925842 - 03/17/14 08:33 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Now the reports here are saying the systems had been started to be shut down before the last voice communication from the flight crew.

Quote:
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) -- When someone at the controls calmly said the last words heard from the missing Malaysian jetliner, one of the Boeing 777's communications systems had already been disabled, authorities said, adding to suspicions that one or both of the pilots were involved in the disappearance of the flight.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/final-words-jet-came-systems-171331126.html


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#3925864 - 03/17/14 11:16 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Alicatt]  
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Originally Posted By: Alicatt
Now the reports here are saying the systems had been started to be shut down before the last voice communication from the flight crew.

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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) -- When someone at the controls calmly said the last words heard from the missing Malaysian jetliner, one of the Boeing 777's communications systems had already been disabled, authorities said, adding to suspicions that one or both of the pilots were involved in the disappearance of the flight.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/final-words-jet-came-systems-171331126.html


Or had just failed, rather than 'was disabled'? I feel a little for the family and reputation of these pilots, with all this speculation focusing on them, and no hard evidence.


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#3925870 - 03/17/14 11:37 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Theory--The Russians hired the two pilots to fly to Russia so Tupolev or another aircraft factory can copy the 777 design. This assuming Boeing has tight network security since Microsoft is nearby

#3925871 - 03/17/14 11:38 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Found this in the comments of a Daily Mail article:



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#3925872 - 03/17/14 11:40 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.

More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.com

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#3925873 - 03/17/14 11:41 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Cripes man, my ACARS craps out on me in Cancun, St. Martin, and at one of the gates in Des Moines not to mention many other places and airways. Need more info.

#3925874 - 03/17/14 11:46 AM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Stormtrooper]  
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Originally Posted By: Stormtrooper
Theory--The Russians hired the two pilots to fly to Russia so Tupolev or another aircraft factory can copy the 777 design. This assuming Boeing has tight network security since Microsoft is nearby


Seriously?

#3925882 - 03/17/14 12:18 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Dart]  
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Why, surely the aliens won't go for poor quality unobtainium?

#3925884 - 03/17/14 12:24 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Pielstick]  
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Originally Posted By: Pielstick
Originally Posted By: Stormtrooper
Theory--The Russians hired the two pilots to fly to Russia so Tupolev or another aircraft factory can copy the 777 design. This assuming Boeing has tight network security since Microsoft is nearby


Seriously?


You're right....the Alien theory is more believable.

#3925905 - 03/17/14 01:18 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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The 777 isn't exactly high level sensitive technology. It's a commercial product sold and operated in large numbers all over the world.

If the Russians wanted to reverse engineer a 20 year old airliner there would be far easier ways to get hold of an example other than arranging the theft of one during a scheduled airline flight with 239 people on board. They could for example, just buy one.

Or they could have just taken a really close look at the 777s that Aeroflot operated a few years back.

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#3925923 - 03/17/14 01:45 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Israel is bolstering their already rigid air defense in the remote possibility that the airliner was "stolen" in order to rig it as a flying nuclear dirty bomb. Right now it seems that no scenario is really off the table (other than it flying into outer space).

#3925953 - 03/17/14 02:22 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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I'm going to publicly rule out the possibility it's being turned into a seaplane.



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#3925975 - 03/17/14 02:49 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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-- this hijacking appears to have been carefully planned with 1 or more person having very good knowledge of the aircrafts communication/navigational systems

-- the possibility that the aircraft was landed somewhere is a very realistic possibility given the circumstances


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#3925981 - 03/17/14 02:54 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Would it be possible to change the aircraft radio id whilst flying?


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#3925987 - 03/17/14 03:04 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Haggart]  
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Originally Posted By: Haggart
-- this hijacking appears to have been carefully planned with 1 or more person having very good knowledge of the aircrafts communication/navigational systems

-- the possibility that the aircraft was landed somewhere is a very realistic possibility given the circumstances


There's only 2 possibilities: it landed or it crashed. It can't still be flying.




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#3925989 - 03/17/14 03:07 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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What about Aliens posing as Russians....from the future?!



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#3925996 - 03/17/14 03:14 PM Re: Missing Airliner [Re: Mad Max]  
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Future Russians...how could you tell? They'll be just as unhappy as those from the present...




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