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#3921957 - 03/08/14 06:18 PM CH Products HOTAS Woes  
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I just installed WOFF a couple of days ago, and cannot get my HOTAS - Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals - to work with it correctly. I have tried many different setups. First I tried the one listed in the FAQ, but my throttle and rudders would not work. I removed the throttle, but the pedals still would not work. I have tried it with everything bound as once device, and just as components without using the control manager. Nothing makes a difference. The joystick alone seems fine, but flying without a rudder is not great. Strangely, the WOFF controller configuration can see all the axes and sliders, but just doesn't like to bind anything other than the joystick. By changing the rudder axis to a slider I was able to get it to bind (somethimes), but it still won't work in game. I have read through the other threads on the topic, but nobody seems to have a solution. I am on Windows 8.1, and the HOTAS works fine on all my other sims, including IL-2, Falcon BMS, and MS FSX.

#3921972 - 03/08/14 07:08 PM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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I had the same problem. Povolski suggested I get a powered USB hub, which I did (a HooToo). Since then I've had no problems.


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#3922019 - 03/08/14 10:28 PM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Try the powered hub, but if it doesn't work post here again and I'm sure people will help you. I had problems with the same setup. If you've read through the posts you've read about them. My main problem was the setup would suddenly not be recognized by Control Manager and therefore windows and I had to rescan through Control Manager. I have had no problems since I make sure the gear is working before I load WOFF. Good luck.

#3922088 - 03/09/14 02:32 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Is there a Windows 7 compatibility mode in Windows 8.1 by chance? If so, I'd try that. Heck, I'd even try a Windows XP compatibility mode if they have that.

Windows 8x seems to have a dislike of CH Products controllers for some reason.


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#3922163 - 03/09/14 11:02 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Windows 8.1 supposedly has some problems with Joystick drivers in general.


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#3922230 - 03/09/14 03:33 PM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Try combining your devices into 1 device in the CH Controler Software. And then make sure the combinied controler has a X and a Y axis,I think you can rename Axes in the CH Software. I had problems with my Rudderpedals not beeing recognized by CFS3 because there was no X and Y axis,CSF3 needs those axis to see the device as Gamecontroller.
I use Windows 7 though.

#3922405 - 03/10/14 12:17 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Thanks for the advice. I have a USB hub arriving tomorrow. That said, I am disappointed that my setup doesn't work in WOFF while it deos in everything else I have tried. I wonder if it is somehow related to the aged CFS3?

#3922477 - 03/10/14 03:39 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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I don't have the Pro Throttle but I just went through a heck of a time getting my USB combat stick and USB Pro Pedals to work. Maybe the following will help in your case.

After repeated attempts to configure CH Manager (map file imported to WOFF) it always ended up with the pedals and stick throttle fighting for control following the FAQ CH Manager setup. Each time there was a conflict between the "slider 1" setting for the joystick and the pro pedal "slider" setting - and no movement of the rudder with the peddles regardless.

I gave up and deleted the WOFF map file as well as removed both the joystick and pedals from CH Manager, then "rescanned" them to show up in CH Manager again and closed the app. I then recalibrated both. Then I fired up WOFF again and went to Workshop and reset the devices only, then removed the bindings for every pro pedal setting listed except rudder "yaw". I made NO changes to the joystick mappings. To my surprise (and relief) when I tested with a quick mission I had rudder control with the peddles and no conflict with the joystick throttle wheel assignment.

Bottom line, in my case it was forgo CH Manager and go back to basics with each of the two devices calibrated, then remove all the listed bindings for the pro pedals via the Workshop except for "rudder yaw". AND - I didn't need a powered USB hub either.

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#3924502 - 03/14/14 03:25 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Update:

I finally got around to trying again with joystick, throttle and pedals connected via a powered usb hub. Unfortunately it didn't solve the problem. I still cannot get the correct axes to bind even though the config utility sees them. On the other hand, I was able to get everything working in ROF, so I can still get a WWI fix when needed. I will probably try again later using only the joystick and pedals, though I am not excited about the prospect since I use the full setup for everything else. I just don't understand why this is the only sim that has the problem.

#3925641 - 03/16/14 06:42 PM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Continuing my efforts to get the CH axes to work, I fired up CFS3 to see if the same problem was apparent there, but all three controllers work fine. So in all other cases, I have not had to use CH Manager. It really mystifies me why the WOFF Keys app can see the default rudder axis (Z) but cannot bind.

#3925765 - 03/17/14 01:36 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Originally Posted By: Jarg1
Continuing my efforts to get the CH axes to work, I fired up CFS3 to see if the same problem was apparent there, but all three controllers work fine. So in all other cases, I have not had to use CH Manager. It really mystifies me why the WOFF Keys app can see the default rudder axis (Z) but cannot bind.

I think you mean "throttle axis (Z)." I'm having the same problem. In my case, I took the throttle axis out of Direct mode, and clicked on the Position button. Then, in the space marked Position keys, I typed the following:

0 0 0 9 9 8 8 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 1

Just like that, with one space between each number. It works most of the time. But, I've found with padlock view on, it doesn't. Not until you turn padlock view off. I don't know why, but, that's what's happening. At least I have my throttle most of the time.

Good Luck, I'm still trying to get the throttle to work in normal, direct mode.


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#3925773 - 03/17/14 02:21 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Actually without using CH Manager, the default rudder axis on the pedals is Z as is the default throttle axis on the throttle. I'm glad to see you found a work around, but I would really prefer not to have to do that.

#3925782 - 03/17/14 02:51 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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If you go to CH Hangar site and post your problem there, Bob Church who wrote the Control manager program will probably be able to sort it out for you.

The link

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php/forum/9-general-discussion/

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#3925805 - 03/17/14 04:37 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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Thanks Tony for the tip, but I don't think this is a CH Manager issue, and for that matter I don't think it is a CH controller issue either. If I had to guess at this point I would say the WOFF Keys app is where the problem lies. On a related note, I've noticed that the WOFF Keys app is no longer being sized correctly, with the right edge cropped, and some content hidden as a result. Per the FAQ I made sure the desktop resolution matched the game resolution, but it didn't fix the problem, nor did a complete re-install.

#3925906 - 03/17/14 01:18 PM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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I disabled the Joystick throttle wheel, and I set the rudder to slider 0. So far, that's worked. I'm still trying to get the throttle to bind in the WOFF key bind to something, but it's not worked for me yet. I'm wondering if it's a combination of WOFF and Windows 8. It's got me totally baffled.


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#3934141 - 04/03/14 09:11 PM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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I FINALLY got my throttle to work as a slider, without using numbers. I cleared everything out using CH manager, then I calibrated the throttle, THEN I loaded the profile I use for WOFF and set it up to use slider1, since the rudder pedals are assigned to slider0. Then, I went into WOFF, into the workshop, and did the unbind, bind thing, and now it all works.

Sheesh. Talk about being picky. smile


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#3934236 - 04/04/14 01:05 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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If you could write that up into specific steps for everyone who is using Windows 8, I'm sure they would erect a statue in your memory when you pass. yep


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#3934255 - 04/04/14 01:30 AM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Slick Wilhelm]  
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Originally Posted By: Slick Wilhelm
If you could write that up into specific steps for everyone who is using Windows 8, I'm sure they would erect a statue in your memory when you pass. yep
I'm not sure how to get more specific. I just

1. started CH Manager,
2. clicked on the Off Mode, Direct Mode, and Mapped Mode buttons to clear the setting in the sticks.
3. Calibrated the Throttle
4. Brought up the profile I use for WOFF.
5. Changed the throttle setting to get rid of the numbers. (Not everyone will have to do this.)
6. Went to DX Mode and set the throttle to use slider 1 on CM device 1.
7. Saved the profile and downloaded it to the devices.
8. Started WOFF.
9. Went to the Workshops.
10. Went to Remap Keys/devices.
11. Went to the bindings list and clicked on Throttle, then clicked on unbind.
12. Went to the bind window, clicked on Throttle, which brought up the small window for binding.
13. Moved Throttle until I heard "beep," then clicked on the bind button.
14. Saved the settings, and exited the Workshops.
15. Played game, everything worked.

How's that? smile


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#4036007 - 11/14/14 07:48 PM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Jarg1]  
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I recently purchased the CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and Pedals. Great stuff!

But getting my rudder pedals mapped in WOFF has been a nightmare (Win7 here).

I've gone through the setup and it was all working in the Quick Missions. But for some reason my rudder pedals and the buttons mapped on my throttle refuse to work in Campaign Missions.

I had actually cleared all the controller settings in the Workshop, after setting up the controllers as a single entity as noted in the FAQ, and remapped the buttons and axes. So something has gone oddly awry since it works in some game modes and not in others.


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#4036017 - 11/14/14 08:14 PM Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes [Re: Nefaro]  
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Nefaro,

Setting up your CH controls IS a bit fiddly. Al Lowe's instructions are spot on.

You could download my CH Profile from the WOFF website here: http://www.overflandersfields.com/User.html. The download includes a WOFFkeys.xca file that may make the process a little less frustrating. FWIW, I'm using Windows 7 64 bit and not having any problems.

Setting up rudders and throttles can be a challenge. I have set my rudder up several ways, as a slider or as a rudder. The WOFFkeys utility seems to have problems when mapping more than two axes...you might look at the following post: #3877450 for a description of how I solved this.

Good luck


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