#3921957 - 03/08/14 06:18 PM
CH Products HOTAS Woes
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Jarg1
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I just installed WOFF a couple of days ago, and cannot get my HOTAS - Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals - to work with it correctly. I have tried many different setups. First I tried the one listed in the FAQ, but my throttle and rudders would not work. I removed the throttle, but the pedals still would not work. I have tried it with everything bound as once device, and just as components without using the control manager. Nothing makes a difference. The joystick alone seems fine, but flying without a rudder is not great. Strangely, the WOFF controller configuration can see all the axes and sliders, but just doesn't like to bind anything other than the joystick. By changing the rudder axis to a slider I was able to get it to bind (somethimes), but it still won't work in game. I have read through the other threads on the topic, but nobody seems to have a solution. I am on Windows 8.1, and the HOTAS works fine on all my other sims, including IL-2, Falcon BMS, and MS FSX.
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#3922088 - 03/09/14 02:32 AM
Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes
[Re: Jarg1]
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Slick Wilhelm
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Is there a Windows 7 compatibility mode in Windows 8.1 by chance? If so, I'd try that. Heck, I'd even try a Windows XP compatibility mode if they have that. Windows 8x seems to have a dislike of CH Products controllers for some reason.
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#3922477 - 03/10/14 03:39 AM
Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes
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Over50
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I don't have the Pro Throttle but I just went through a heck of a time getting my USB combat stick and USB Pro Pedals to work. Maybe the following will help in your case.
After repeated attempts to configure CH Manager (map file imported to WOFF) it always ended up with the pedals and stick throttle fighting for control following the FAQ CH Manager setup. Each time there was a conflict between the "slider 1" setting for the joystick and the pro pedal "slider" setting - and no movement of the rudder with the peddles regardless.
I gave up and deleted the WOFF map file as well as removed both the joystick and pedals from CH Manager, then "rescanned" them to show up in CH Manager again and closed the app. I then recalibrated both. Then I fired up WOFF again and went to Workshop and reset the devices only, then removed the bindings for every pro pedal setting listed except rudder "yaw". I made NO changes to the joystick mappings. To my surprise (and relief) when I tested with a quick mission I had rudder control with the peddles and no conflict with the joystick throttle wheel assignment.
Bottom line, in my case it was forgo CH Manager and go back to basics with each of the two devices calibrated, then remove all the listed bindings for the pro pedals via the Workshop except for "rudder yaw". AND - I didn't need a powered USB hub either.
Last edited by Over50; 03/10/14 03:42 AM.
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#3925765 - 03/17/14 01:36 AM
Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes
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Al Lowe
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Continuing my efforts to get the CH axes to work, I fired up CFS3 to see if the same problem was apparent there, but all three controllers work fine. So in all other cases, I have not had to use CH Manager. It really mystifies me why the WOFF Keys app can see the default rudder axis (Z) but cannot bind. I think you mean "throttle axis (Z)." I'm having the same problem. In my case, I took the throttle axis out of Direct mode, and clicked on the Position button. Then, in the space marked Position keys, I typed the following: 0 0 0 9 9 8 8 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 1 Just like that, with one space between each number. It works most of the time. But, I've found with padlock view on, it doesn't. Not until you turn padlock view off. I don't know why, but, that's what's happening. At least I have my throttle most of the time. Good Luck, I'm still trying to get the throttle to work in normal, direct mode.
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#3934141 - 04/03/14 09:11 PM
Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes
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Al Lowe
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I FINALLY got my throttle to work as a slider, without using numbers. I cleared everything out using CH manager, then I calibrated the throttle, THEN I loaded the profile I use for WOFF and set it up to use slider1, since the rudder pedals are assigned to slider0. Then, I went into WOFF, into the workshop, and did the unbind, bind thing, and now it all works. Sheesh. Talk about being picky.
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#3934255 - 04/04/14 01:30 AM
Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes
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Al Lowe
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If you could write that up into specific steps for everyone who is using Windows 8, I'm sure they would erect a statue in your memory when you pass. I'm not sure how to get more specific. I just 1. started CH Manager, 2. clicked on the Off Mode, Direct Mode, and Mapped Mode buttons to clear the setting in the sticks. 3. Calibrated the Throttle 4. Brought up the profile I use for WOFF. 5. Changed the throttle setting to get rid of the numbers. (Not everyone will have to do this.) 6. Went to DX Mode and set the throttle to use slider 1 on CM device 1. 7. Saved the profile and downloaded it to the devices. 8. Started WOFF. 9. Went to the Workshops. 10. Went to Remap Keys/devices. 11. Went to the bindings list and clicked on Throttle, then clicked on unbind. 12. Went to the bind window, clicked on Throttle, which brought up the small window for binding. 13. Moved Throttle until I heard "beep," then clicked on the bind button. 14. Saved the settings, and exited the Workshops. 15. Played game, everything worked. How's that?
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#4036007 - 11/14/14 07:48 PM
Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes
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Nefaro
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I recently purchased the CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and Pedals. Great stuff!
But getting my rudder pedals mapped in WOFF has been a nightmare (Win7 here).
I've gone through the setup and it was all working in the Quick Missions. But for some reason my rudder pedals and the buttons mapped on my throttle refuse to work in Campaign Missions.
I had actually cleared all the controller settings in the Workshop, after setting up the controllers as a single entity as noted in the FAQ, and remapped the buttons and axes. So something has gone oddly awry since it works in some game modes and not in others.
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#4036017 - 11/14/14 08:14 PM
Re: CH Products HOTAS Woes
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BirdDogICT
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Nefaro, Setting up your CH controls IS a bit fiddly. Al Lowe's instructions are spot on. You could download my CH Profile from the WOFF website here: http://www.overflandersfields.com/User.html. The download includes a WOFFkeys.xca file that may make the process a little less frustrating. FWIW, I'm using Windows 7 64 bit and not having any problems. Setting up rudders and throttles can be a challenge. I have set my rudder up several ways, as a slider or as a rudder. The WOFFkeys utility seems to have problems when mapping more than two axes...you might look at the following post: #3877450 for a description of how I solved this. Good luck
There are no accidents and no fatal flaws in the machines; there are only pilots with the wrong stuff.
— Tom Wolfe, The Right Stuff,1979.
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