#3917454 - 02/27/14 09:54 AM
ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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Dear DCS Community,
First of all, a massive thank you for your patience. We know it is frustrating to be kept in the dark, especially after the bombshell of an announcement that was dropped in January. It was never our intent for our internal issues to go public. Unfortunately we've had to hold off on making this announcement for far too long.
Every team and business will at some point undergo difficult times, times where everything is seemingly smashed to pieces and the outlook seems most dire. After having experienced this, we can look forward to a bright future, moving forward as a team that is now stronger than ever.
While we appreciate the fact that everyone is eager to know exactly what lead us to the internal difficulties, we feel the need to keep as much of our private matters, private. We're here to deliver top-notch quality DCS products, not to run a forum soap opera.
No development team can exist without trust between its' members. Of paramount importance is internal transparency and accountability-- especially with regards to financial transactions. A key issue was identified where this requirement of trust broke down, and as such, steps had to be taken to protect everyone involved in the development of this module.
We can confirm that Laszlo “beczl” Becz has recently left the MiG-21 team. Beczl has resigned his position amicably, and without any external or internal pressure to do so.
Hence, we are hereby known as Leatherneck Simulations and we are here to stay.
This internal restructuring primarily affect those of you who have backed the MiG-21 project on IndieGoGo.
To make it abundantly clear:
We do not have, nor will we receive, a single cent of the funds raised on IndieGoGo.
However: in the interest of goodwill and as a thank you for your incredible support over the years, we will honor each and every backer to its' fullest extent, at our own cost. Some physical items that you are entitled to may be slightly delayed (Shirts, DVDs, etc.). We simply do not have the money required to produce these items en masse before release.
In essence, the only difference to you (the backer) -- is that you may have to wait a short period to receive your physical goods. We hope that is amicable.
Q&A
Hold On! Isn't Beczl the founder of the DCS: MiG-21? Yes and No. The DCS: MiG-21 started as a 50/50 partnership between beczl and Novak Djordjijevic (Dolphin887). Novak has been the driving force for code development on the MiG-21 for the past 3 years, and is responsible for the majority its' codebase.
Who is Novak? Novak has been with the project since day one, and has been the main driving force behind the code development of the DCS: MiG-21. The majority of the systems and the AFM can be attributed to Novak. With only 38 posts on the forum to date, it is understandable that he has flown under the radar.
Can I get a refund for my IndieGoGo contribution? This is not our responsibility or decision. We will honor your contribution to its' fullest extent at our own cost. We do not have any of the money contributed via the IndieGoGo campaign.
Whatever you drama queens. When is this damn thing getting released? While work has continued at a steady pace during these internal issues, it goes without saying that we are now slightly short on manpower and time has been lost.
We are looking at several options for release windows. Do not expect a long delay from the previously announced release date.
WHAT!? But you said March 30th?! At that time, no one expected something this big to occur and hinder our development progress. We are committed to giving you accurate and realistic time frames.
It is what you deserve and what we should be held accountable for. We will see to it that this is the case in the future.
But, seriously, when are you releasing? There will be more info on this soon. Promise.
What happened to all the videos? The videos are old, outdated and do not paint a proper picture of the module at this point in time. The aircraft is a completely different piece of software relatively to a year ago.
We will post new videos very soon.
What about the MiG-23? The MiG-23 is not in our near-future plans. It remains an attractive option for us in the long-term, as code commonality with the MiG-21 amounts to roughly 60-70%.
We hope to share future plans with you soon. There are things we are incredibly excited to show you.
I have more questions? Feel free to ask in this thread. We understand that recent events are frustrating from an outside perspective. We are committed to to DCS and hope we can put your fears to rest.
Once again, a sincere thank you for your support, patience and understanding. With your continued support we are here to stay and will help to foster a simulation environment that is everything a simmer could ever wish for.
Look towards a new development update for the MiG-21 later today.
Sincerely,
Leatherneck Simulations DCS: MiG-21bis Team
Last edited by Cobra847; 02/27/14 11:21 AM.
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#3917475 - 02/27/14 11:47 AM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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Whoa, that's a lot. Still... good to know all the work was not in vain! 
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#3917477 - 02/27/14 12:12 PM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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Thanks for the update, appreciated.
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#3917608 - 02/27/14 04:14 PM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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Honestly I think you guys are lucky there are so many diehard DCS and flight sim fans here.
I refuse to buy a flight sim that I have no interest in playing, on the off chance that MAYBE someday they'll make the one I really want to play.
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#3917661 - 02/27/14 05:50 PM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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We do not have, nor will we receive, a single cent of the funds raised on IndieGoGo.
However: in the interest of goodwill and as a thank you for your incredible support over the years, we will honor each and every backer to its' fullest extent, at our own cost.[/B] Some physical items that you are entitled to may be slightly delayed (Shirts, DVDs, etc.). We simply do not have the money required to produce these items en masse before release.
In essence, the only difference to you (the backer) -- is that you may have to wait a short period to receive your physical goods. We hope that is amicable.
Wow! Somewhat glad I didn't back. Now I know that if I buy this module, my funds will go to the project.
The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine!
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#3917701 - 02/27/14 07:05 PM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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#3917887 - 02/28/14 01:15 AM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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Honestly I think you guys are lucky there are so many diehard DCS and flight sim fans here. Well said. By the way, its bit ominous that the inaugural third party project for DCS is hitting such turbulence. Heres hoping this is only a unique case.
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#3918003 - 02/28/14 06:23 AM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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Well this whole affair over the last month seems like a less than optimal development, but I'm glad to see you guys are still committing to the release. I for one cannot wait to tear around Georgia in the Fishbed, and I wish your studio the best of luck. (Also, if you need suggestions for a follow on aircraft: F-14D  )
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#3918087 - 02/28/14 01:02 PM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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This is the inevitable result of a project that is made by people and not machines.
In the future, when computers can program for us, we will have more accurate estimates of release dates.
I for one welcome our AI overlords!
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#3918652 - 03/01/14 11:42 AM
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: DCS MiG-21bis by Leatherneck Simulations
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Hey guys,
We've been very lenient in our moderation approach both here and on Facebook. I'm not a deletion happy person, and I think everyone should have the right to speak their mind, especially as potential customers with valid concerns.
We are sensitive to the conflict of interest to the developers moderating their own forum, I apologize for anything that can be construed as unfair.
However, sometimes the witchhunt can get out of hand, which is in essence our fault as we're being intentionally vague with the amount of information provided to you.
@Kegetys (Thanks for all the great OFP and ArmA stuff back in the day!) & the rest - We really do have nothing to hide. Take the words in the announcement at face value. IndieGoGo money was not at any point invested into the project and no member of Leatherneck has received any of these monies. The money is the responsibility of Studio Beczl.
Last edited by Cobra847; 03/01/14 11:44 AM.
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