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#3899581 - 01/22/14 08:32 AM BBC Witness  
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#3899601 - 01/22/14 10:14 AM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Thanks for sharing Shredward !

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#3899602 - 01/22/14 10:18 AM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Nice interview. It's a shame they used a known fake picture for this.

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#3899604 - 01/22/14 10:27 AM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Smosh]  
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Originally Posted By: Smosh
It's a shame they used a known fake picture for this.


Very true.

I hope the BBC's 4 years of WW1 coverage is not going to be peppered with such avoidable errors.

The inevitable dumbing-down we'll have to live with no doubt but I hope they acknowledge feedback and improve as the programming goes on.


Oh that I was back in the dear old PBI.
With no more Triplanes on me tail, nor tracer tracing by.
And no more flames and clickerty-clack and no more blooming sky,
And only a couple of feet to fall whenever I want to die.

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#3899611 - 01/22/14 10:46 AM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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I read the great book "Sagittarius Rising" by Cecil Lewis - but it's great
to actually hear the man telling the story! Thank you for sharing, Shredder!


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#3899819 - 01/22/14 06:16 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Those are very famous fakes - surprising oversight on their part.

Has anyone else always been a little surprised anyone fell for those pics as authentic?

#3899828 - 01/22/14 06:22 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Yes, I've got copies of all of those pics... they probably think most people are gullible, or their researcher needs sacking, lol!

#3899852 - 01/22/14 07:05 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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That clip is about the memories of Cecil Lewis, not about the lazy research.


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#3899860 - 01/22/14 07:15 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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He must have been an extraordinary man

#3899862 - 01/22/14 07:18 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Sagittarius Rising was one of the first WWI aviation books that I read, and listened to the radio clip, it's good stuff!
But we were talking about the pics that were used on the site.

#3899879 - 01/22/14 07:48 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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I've emailed the Beeb with your concerns.
Cheers,
shredward


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#3899892 - 01/22/14 08:17 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Cecil Lewis served his country with distinction in what was quite possibly the most devastating war in its history, then went on to live a long life full of accomplishment, happiness and a little adventure here and there. He also immortalized himself in history by publishing one of the greatest accounts of the air war. I hope he's resting in peace because we should all be so lucky to have a life like the one he had.

As an aside, as an admirer of Lewis and his book, it was a pleasure to hear his voice for the first time. Thanks for posting!

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#3899948 - 01/22/14 09:33 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Originally Posted By: Shredward
I've emailed the Beeb with your concerns.
Cheers,
shredward


That's great... I'll be able to sleep tonight smile

#3899968 - 01/22/14 10:09 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Falcon988]  
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Originally Posted By: Falcon988

As an aside, as an admirer of Lewis and his book, it was a pleasure to hear his voice for the first time. Thanks for posting!


Then you obviously didn't have a look at the WOFF credits. There you have the vid and afterwards some very interesting original WW1 interviews, one of them with Cecil Lewis. Definitely worth a check. Was already in in P3 smile

#3900530 - 01/23/14 09:20 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Many thanks, Shredward,

really brings the book to life.
I'm a sentimental old fool, but I can hear the emotion
in the old boy's voice, very moving.

Btw people, Lewis also features in the iviews under
"credits", check them out if you haven't already.

I wonder if there are any recordings of French/German/American/Canadian
pilots?

Kind regards.
RS

#3900567 - 01/23/14 10:43 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: RamblingSid]  
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Originally Posted By: RamblingSid


I wonder if there are any recordings of French/German/American/Canadian
pilots?



There was at least one lengthy recorded interview with Rickenbacker IIRC.

If you've ever played Rise of Flight's training missions, it seems like the oddly start & stop voicing for 'ole Eddie is actually his recorded words chopped up individually and put back together for the voiceover in the movies between those missions.

I may be wrong but it definitely sounds like his voice and what they did. That's why the flow of sentences sound rather odd - the patchwork words and phrases put back together in Frankenstein sentences.


There were also a couple short old interviews with British pilots in some documentaries I saw recently. I'm sure there are more and lengthier ones out there than those, however.

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#3900570 - 01/23/14 10:56 PM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Just quickly checking around, I did find a long interview with Rickenbacker much later in the '50s. It's about an hour long:

http://www.myoldradio.com/old-radio-episodes/biography-in-sound-eddie-rickenbacker-ep-93/2

I think there were some similarly long ones from when he was younger, too. Most of the interviews on this one are other pilots, though.

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#3900595 - 01/24/14 12:36 AM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Personally, I've always rated 'No Parachute' above 'Sagittarius Rising'. I wish there were a like interview with Arthur Gould Lee.

Nevertheless, Cecil Lewis certainly was a remarkable man, he lived a life that many might envy, including me, for it's fullness.

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Oh that I was back in the dear old PBI.
With no more Triplanes on me tail, nor tracer tracing by.
And no more flames and clickerty-clack and no more blooming sky,
And only a couple of feet to fall whenever I want to die.

No. 56 Squadron Song
#3900597 - 01/24/14 12:40 AM Re: BBC Witness [Re: Shredward]  
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Thanks Nefaro,

I'll check that out.

Of course I had completely forgotten abt ROF.

Sorry Creaghorn, didn't see your earlier post.
Comedy of errors today.

RS


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