#3898721 - 01/20/14 07:58 PM
WWI re-evaluated.
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My 'Waiting for Clod' thread: http://tinyurl.com/bqxc9eeAlways take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.Elie Wiesel. Romanian born Jewish writer, professor, political activist, Nobel Laureate, Holocaust survivor. 1928 - 2016. Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C.S. Lewis, 1898 - 1963.
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#3898737 - 01/20/14 08:31 PM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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Probably the stupidest thing I've ever read.
In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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#3898740 - 01/20/14 08:35 PM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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I don't know, you sure you haven't seen some threads here that would compare?
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#3898745 - 01/20/14 08:42 PM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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Coming from the BBC I was expecting some serious leftist revisionism going on but that stuff is out there already.
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#3898763 - 01/20/14 09:16 PM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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care to explain whats so stupid in this article?
Experience of battle divides those who talk about nothing but the anticipation from those who talk about everything but the memory of it.
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#3898776 - 01/20/14 09:51 PM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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Plenty of those issues have been brought up in books. Mud, Blood and Poppycock This book is one I really like, and gives a very good rundown of WWI myths and their debunking.
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#3898783 - 01/20/14 10:15 PM
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Coming from the BBC I was expecting some serious leftist revisionism going on but that stuff is out there already.
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Mailman But how much of that stuff is known to the common bloke on the street?
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#3898889 - 01/21/14 03:57 AM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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The article forgot to mention one of the myths about WWI,
That Germany was entirely responsible for the start of WWI. That is only partly mythical. I would say that Germany was primarily responsible for starting WWI. I think Imperial Germany was the only country involved that actually wanted a war.
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#3898914 - 01/21/14 04:40 AM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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Well let me re-phrase that, yes the Balkan states were spoiling for a fight. But Germany was the only major power that wanted a war. Russia didn't, France didn't, Britain didn't, Italy didn't. Germany was the primary factor in turning a regional conflict into a world war. IMO.
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#3898920 - 01/21/14 04:54 AM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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There was a documentary named The Century narrated by Peter Jennings back in 1999. In it, Mr. Jennings said something to the effect that up to that time in 1999, everything that has happened in the past 80 years, was the results of World War I. I have a copy of that documentary. I need to find it and quote what Mr. Jennings said because not only did it make sense, it left an impact on me. EDIT: I found it in its entirety on YouTube and now it's just a matter of finding the correct episode where Mr. Jennings said it. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC8D9DC28C3EC5223
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#3898938 - 01/21/14 06:00 AM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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I watched this ten-part documentary a couple of weeks ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0D-ltuyZFc It is very informative and I learned quite a lot of what I had been taught in history class in school was only partly correct. I highly recommend watching this series if you want to understand more of the causes of WWI.
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#3899065 - 01/21/14 02:31 PM
Re: WWI re-evaluated.
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Or in other words:
"No, the thing is: The way I see it, these days there's a war on, right? and, ages ago, there wasn't a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right? and there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs?"
"Do you mean "How did the war start?""
"The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire- building."
"George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganiki. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front."
"Oh, no, sir, absolutely not."
[aside]
"Mad as a bicycle!"
"I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry."
"I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot."
"Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved, sir."
"Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort not to have a war."
"By Gum, this is interesting. I always loved history. The Battle of Hastings, Henry VIII and his six knives, all that."
"You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war."
"But, this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir?"
"Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan."
"What was that, sir?"
"It was bollocks."
"So the poor old ostrich died for nothing then."
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