#3897507 - 01/18/14 03:21 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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A-4 would have a lot of advantages: - Speed range closely matching SU-25
- Single seat
- Simple systems relative to other options
We would need a USS Forrestal or USS Kitty Hawk class carrier and a Vietnam map at some point.
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#3897526 - 01/18/14 04:18 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Let's try to get back OT, folks! (Maybe we need a wishlist thread in the DCS World forum?)
I'm interested to learn more about the GCI feature and whether it'll be available to all DCS platforms - in some MP games, a human GCI made all the difference in the outcome of the mission, but there were few folks who would sacrifice their stick time for it.
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#3898129 - 01/19/14 06:08 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Mig-21Bis bad news http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=119362We beczl studio announce with regrets the following bad news in relation with DCS:MiG-21Bis project. The project is on hold till the unknown date due we are faced of several development problems in general also a very serious disagreement and financial issues within the team that affect the whole project finalization and future. That means the finalization of the MiG-21 and publishing as well is freezes until these issues fully clarified. If it is won't possible very soon we must be drop whole project. So the beczl studios will not and never been publish the DCS:MiG-21Bis. In case we'll be working on the project closure and after the backers will give back their money as soon as possible. The method how we can transfer these money's back to our backers will be communicated and available as soon as possible. We will be contact with each backers individually via mail with the possible solutions in relation about money back transfer. We willpost details on www.dcs-mig21.com, in our facebook page, and also in this forum thread as well. Nevertheless, it was a pleasure to working on this project even it is not published and I spent more than two year (with previous version more than four year) for that project from my life. Through our regular updates, news and videos you can clearly see the DCSW possibilities, how long and hard work need to be a successfully (or unsuccessfully within this context) project. We can experienced how hard to develop a DCS level planes with a limited 3rd party support, but also met a lot of talented and experienced 3rd party teams who's help each other, share their knowledge that help each party to achieve their goal. Anyway, we wish to all player, 3rd party group and TFC/ED to a better success with the other possible upcoming DCS planes. For any furter info, inquery and help you can countact us at info@dcs-mig21.com
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#3898132 - 01/19/14 06:29 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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NOOOoooo...
Awful to hear.
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#3898133 - 01/19/14 06:29 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Saw the same thing you posted over at Avsim, so I'll reply here as well. This was the first third party module that really interested me, learning the ins and outs of a MiG-21 would have been fun. I really hope the guys who pre-paid for this get their money back. I expect a lot of the currently announced third party modules to go the same way as this. This is going to make it very, very difficult for any third party to get customers to pre-order in the future.
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#3898142 - 01/19/14 06:38 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Eh? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1973222#post1973222Being on this project since day 1, I am very sorry Laszlo put this message on forum without consultations with the team, and any collective decision really made.
Project is still fully active and this message surprised us (the rest of the team, 4 people) while we were actually working on it.
Any internal problem need to be dealt internally, without any negative effects outside the team.
In that sense, be reserved towards Laszlo's message for now, as we believe we will fix the issues soon (Laszlo is currently on the business trip).
I personally hope Laszlo won't make more harmful moves until we discuss this matter.
As from our part, 21 is not closed project, no worries. Either Dolphin isn't who he says he is or there's some strange shenanigans afoot. I sincerely wish the team the best possible outcome for this.
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#3898144 - 01/19/14 06:43 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Yeah just read that message from Dolphin. Very strange.
Given the first message that cited disagreement on financial issues within the team, and saying the project is on idefinite hold, and now another one of the devs posting that the message was posted without the knowledge or agreement of the rest of the team..... well it just sounds like somebody in the team has thrown their toys out the pram.
Not the first time I've seen something like this happen, and won't be the last!
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#3898212 - 01/19/14 09:26 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Hopefully optimistic then! :-)
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#3898424 - 01/20/14 08:25 AM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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I think the discussion has been taken behind the scenes where it probably should have been..... Yeah, that's the point. It should have been but was not. To now attempt a 'cover-up' of sorts by burying every attempt at meaningful insight/making like an Ostrich is ludicrous, bordering on the reckless. Investors/Backers have a vested interest in the affairs of the third-party Development, especially in these specific circumstances where a Legitimate Expectation of release exists, brought about by the Devs in a public release statement. Yes, the discussion must be resolved behind-the-scenes asabloodyp. In the interim backers must not be left in the dark: Will only foster discontent and disapproval and probably sullying/casting doubt on developers and principles alike.
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#3898440 - 01/20/14 09:11 AM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Surely the world's greatest troll has just hacked Beczl's account. Aye, would be less painful if that was the case. Here's the latest news from the main site:
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#3898443 - 01/20/14 09:39 AM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Anyone fancy backing a MiG-23?
No?
Can't say I'm shocked at this news - I gave up on my 20 bucks a year or more ago.
Yia su
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#3898497 - 01/20/14 01:32 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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I call for Account-Hacking.
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#3898507 - 01/20/14 01:51 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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I call for someone getting their nose bent out of shape and going off in a huff. Along the lines of "I think I've put in more time and therefore deserve more of the money, and if not then we're just going to cancel the whole thing and no one gets a thing". Not literally perhaps, but it really seems like there is an issue with leadership internally that is causing this.
Will this ever get finished and released? I don't know, although the protracted development already bodes ill, but at this point it is what it is.
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#3898605 - 01/20/14 03:50 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Well does anybody know what actually happened yesterday? As far as I can tell, out of the blue it's announced the project is being put on hold indefinitely citing development issues and financial disputes. Shortly thereafter another one of the devs posts a message saying this is the first he's heard about the project being put on ice and as far as he's concerned all is well. Shortly after that the original announcement and thread are gone. W T F ? I call for someone getting their nose bent out of shape and going off in a huff. If I had to take a stab in the dark that would be it. I've seen similar stuff happen before on other projects and other sims. Which is all a real shame in the end because not only was this the first DCS module that actually really interested me, but people have stumped up cash for this on pre-order, and this turn of events will do absolutely no good for either ED, other third party devs, nor the whole DCS circus. On a related note I was reading through the thread asking what happened to Iris and their DCS modules in development. What nobody seems to know, or mention, is that in the case of the F-15E, the FSX version was developed by Metal2Mesh who severed all ties with Iris after a dispute over the latter's handling of the project. That means you can say with pretty much 100% certainty there will be no Iris F-15E for DCS.
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#3898606 - 01/20/14 03:58 PM
Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed
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Latest in the saga: Hi Everyone,
We know you are all concerned. This is a difficult time for us. It was never our intention for this to go public: as such we were wholly unprepared for the massive task of needing to mitigate damage to the aircraft and team. We are all still very busy with development itself.
We believe we are reasonable people who are working to resolve this in a way that will work for everyone. Things will be cleared up to some extent as soon as it is possible.
Have faith. Even in the worst case scenario we will make amends. We are commited to DCS, its' future, and the MiG-21. Unfortunately as far as I am concerned this means very little not coming from Beczl himself and that in itself is very, very worrying.......He is the main man behind the project, the buck stops with him and hearing nothing from him on this matter apart from his main post and news on his site is serious.
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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