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#3891607 - 01/08/14 09:14 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yugoslavia used naval version of Osa (OSA-M) on Koni and Kotor class frigates. Montenegrin navy still uses two Kotor class vessels with osa on board.

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#3894022 - 01/12/14 04:25 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Sneak peek of the upcoming OSA-AK manual...











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#3894091 - 01/12/14 07:17 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Super Hpasp!

#3897107 - 01/17/14 08:29 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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SA-8 bites again:

#3897375 - 01/18/14 06:52 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Excellent find! I've been hoping they'd post more SA-8 footage from Syria, but I hadn't found anything new in months.

#3898138 - 01/19/14 06:34 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Mdore]  
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Originally Posted By: Mdore
Excellent find! I've been hoping they'd post more SA-8 footage from Syria, but I hadn't found anything new in months.




Not pretty sure what they are doing, but another launch....

*EDIT:


This is rebel's SA-8 activity until today:

16.01.2014 - Mi-8/17:

Click to reveal..


21.08.2013 - Mi-8/17

Click to reveal..


30.07.2013 Mi-8:
Click to reveal..



Also two others:

1. 28.11.2013 near miss:



2. They claimed a MiG:




The upper most video is from 18.01.2014 near Damascus international airport - attack on cargo plane (it seems they missed).


The rebels claimed using some help from local PVO guys to overrun the "access code" screwy and that they used only TV guidance....

* Found on Israeli Russian Speaking forum

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#3898147 - 01/19/14 06:59 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Shooting against low flying / hovering chopper.


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#3898156 - 01/19/14 07:25 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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They are shooting ? Yes.
Do they expect some result ? With this manual tracking quality : no
But still scary for the helicopter crew ...

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#3898167 - 01/19/14 07:52 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Originally Posted By: ePap
They are shooting ? Yes.
Do they expect some result ? With this manual tracking quality : no
But still scary for the helicopter crew ...


In the first video they are tracking a plane, which is going to land... It looks like the plane is below 100 meters and descending... What method they used? They cannot measure the range, thus no Fi, right?

#3898174 - 01/19/14 08:08 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: ePap
They are shooting ? Yes.
Do they expect some result ? With this manual tracking quality : no
But still scary for the helicopter crew ...


In the first video they are tracking a plane, which is going to land... It looks like the plane is below 100 meters and descending... What method they used? They cannot measure the range, thus no Fi, right?


They are not tracking.They try to follow the target unsuccessfully !

Normally and if the target is low and manually tracked and range less that 7 km ,the system recognize to be be in Fi mode.
No need for precise range.

#3898175 - 01/19/14 08:09 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: ePap
They are shooting ? Yes.
Do they expect some result ? With this manual tracking quality : no
But still scary for the helicopter crew ...


In the first video they are tracking a plane, which is going to land... It looks like the plane is below 100 meters and descending... What method they used? They cannot measure the range, thus no Fi, right?


DID THEY REALLY USING TV ONLY?

I think their crosshair is pretty off target in first videos....? On the 16.01.2014 one the operator pointed at elevation indicator...?

#3898176 - 01/19/14 08:11 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Originally Posted By: ePap

They are not tracking.They try to follow the target unsuccessfully !

Normally and if the target is low and manually tracked and range less that 7 km ,the system recognize to be be in Fi mode.
No need for precise range.


But how the missile knew when to descent over target if no range data?

#3898184 - 01/19/14 08:19 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: ePap

They are not tracking.They try to follow the target unsuccessfully !

Normally and if the target is low and manually tracked and range less that 7 km ,the system recognize to be be in Fi mode.
No need for precise range.


But how the missile knew when to descent over target if no range data?


In this case the missile flies in a predefined path just 3 meters higher from the crosshair of carat and with the proximity fuse already energized,it is expected the target to be hit by the warhead fragments .

#3898187 - 01/19/14 08:28 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: ePap
They are shooting ? Yes.
Do they expect some result ? With this manual tracking quality : no
But still scary for the helicopter crew ...


In the first video they are tracking a plane, which is going to land... It looks like the plane is below 100 meters and descending... What method they used? They cannot measure the range, thus no Fi, right?


DID THEY REALLY USING TV ONLY?

I think their crosshair is pretty off target in first videos....? On the 16.01.2014 one the operator pointed at elevation indicator...?


In my opinion the video on 16.01.2014 is from training activities and the target is tracked by the tracking radar and that's why there is target blip on elevation screen.Carat just verifies the results.

In the other video ,firing over buildings (war activity ) there is no tracking radar locked and applicable what I wrote in my previous message.

#3898210 - 01/19/14 09:24 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Dear ePap!

If you have time, it is worthy to look careful all videos, and say what is going on (or not) for everyone of them.... Does they really used radar lock on any of them?

EDIT: The cargo plane shooting - missile flew for 26 seconds...

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#3898232 - 01/19/14 09:57 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Dear ePap!

If you have time, it is worthy to look careful all videos, and say what is going on (or not) for everyone of them.... Does they really used radar lock on any of them?

EDIT: The cargo plane shooting - missile flew for 26 seconds...


In videos with hit , they use the lock on target with tracking radar.
The night vision is out of alingmnet.I don't know why.
In war condition video they try to follow with the night camera their target but incorrectly and because of the misalignment there is no chance for a hit.
In that case there is no radar lock.May be in order to surprise the target (no chaff release) or radar failure .Or to force the system to go in Fi mode,which I have doubts ....

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#3898237 - 01/19/14 10:22 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Originally Posted By: ePap

In videos with hit , they use the lock on target with tracking radar.


Videos with missile detonation are more than one....

#3898240 - 01/19/14 10:33 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
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In videos with hit , they use the lock on target with tracking radar.


Videos with missile detonation are more than one....


I refered clearly for hits verified in the night camera.
The detonation and the hellicopter I don't know what happen .
Most probably the pilot was very very lucky but I am not convinced that is an OSA missile .It seems to me slower and not rolling.From the other side the detonation of warhead look like OSA .

#3898404 - 01/20/14 06:07 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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They've videos from rebels, who might not be fully trained, or might not be trained at all. Using a vehicle which they probably don't have spare parts for, or repairs.

It's to be expected that the system isn't being used very effectively.

#3898416 - 01/20/14 07:19 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Mdore]  
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Without training, you would not be able to switch the system on.
There are lots of switches (left of the Range Officer)...


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