LOL! Actually...the customers spent 4.5 years supporting post release development by buying their DLC and planes that were not always exactly what they wanted to fly...but purchased them in the hopes it would help 777 to create that "immersive" world we were hoping for. Sure they made some great planes...but I was hoping eventually they would spend more time making the AI/world not so sterile and not just have the "skirmishes" we have now.

Here's a thread at 777 of fans begging for better AI.

http://riseofflight.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=40025

A very quick summary of my opinions:

Do I find Rise of Flight enjoyable?
Yes

Do I get aggravated by some shonky features/decisions, and a stubborn refusal from 777 to address these issues?
Yes.

In time I will probably try WoFF to get my WW1 fix, but I have many other things to do in the meantime.

Not an expert on this subject by any means, since the only input I have is anectdotal based on the flight sims I've purchased and tried over the years. And I've probably tried most of the major ones that came down the pipe.

I can't recall a single one that didn't have glaring AI issues.

Still, I enjoy RoF for the small amount of time I have each week to actually fly it.

I thought I heard that 777 had only recently hired a dedicated AI programmer. If so, that would explain the relatively simple AI we have currently in RoF. There have been some DDs for Il-2 BOS that hint that much more refined AI is being worked on for that game. Like the loading times, I think this will filter down to RoF when the team has time to do so. Just be patient. One of the recent patches DID break novice AI so I imagine they will put out a fix for that soon as they have done in the past. The beauty of the RoF business model is that you can decide not to buy at any time. If you are unhappy at the current state of things...Then don't buy it. You have every right to do so. I'm happy with my Strutters, for the record.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Compared to the AI in preceding Sims I don't think RoF is that bad. Using PWCG and AI all set to Veteran I find myself in some very challenging dogfights with the AI.
In the EAF we have a mods on DiD COOP campaign running using PWCG and the Refined Mod pack. In that we often see AI scratching for height rather than the usual spiral to ground level. That impresses me
After years playing IL2 the RoF AI are step forward IMO

Name me another Sim developer who has given the same level of development and regular updates to their game. As well as new aircraft in every update they also release a of minor improvements

RoF may not be at it's full potential, But it is not for lack of effort on the part of the dev team

Give PWCG a try with AI all set to veteran. The AI are quite a handful in there

It took Il-2 until one of the TD patches...was it 4.11 or .12?...to finally get the Il-2 AI to what I would call a decent level. Oleg's protestations notwithstanding (I don't care that you're not worse than others, I'm just saying YOURS needs improvement!), Il-2's AI always bugged me, and it took literally over a decade to get it improved. DCS' AI needs work too.

Does ROF AI still need help? Of course. They all do, because our PCs are still dumb as bricks. But to single out 777 for it seems petty.



The Jedi Master

Rise of Flight: Channel Battles Edition is on Steam Flash Sale for the next 8 hours @ 75% off. That makes it £7.99 in the UK.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/244050/

Lots of DLC packs are similarly discounted.

You could pick up the lot, including CBE for about £38, which is a huge discount considering CBE alone was priced at £31.99

Seems a no brainer if you were holding off on price alone

There is a bug with the AI that makes them not engage in the B-career. You can prove the existence of this bug by comparing the B-career to PWCG's fix in version 15. It is supposed to have something to do with the AI being assigned the right kind of MCU by the mission generator. So, this time people are not complaining about general AI tactics, like what you see in the QMB. They are complaining about previous functionality that has recently disappeared.

WW1 data is very imprecise because it rarely specifies atmospheric conditions, and two individual aircraft of the same type could have different performance. Using that to justify some of the scouts in Rise of Flight is disingenuous.

Nieuport 28 horizontal turn, hmmmmm?

You also have the issue with published data vs pilots' accounts. The major case in point being the speed of the Pup/Camel vs the Albatros planes. ALL the pilot accounts state that the Albs were much much faster. No questions, arguments, maybes, or anything, just flat out statement.
The data, however, tends to show that the Alb is substantially slower.
I believe that this is due to the Alb data coming from a captured model (worn out), and the Camel/Pup data coming from brand new machines.

LOL, Dumbo. Instead of munching popcorn go out and buy yourself a decent gaming computer. And TrackIR has come a long way since TIR3.

What you have belongs in a museum.

No matter what data you do or do not look at it is just absurd to think the albs didn't stall.

In ROF they are almost impossible to stall. Just yank and bank forever. If you are an alb fan and want them to increase the speed you have to also admit thet they need to tweak that departure characteristics.

Unfortunately, not all of us can afford a decent gaming computer. But thanks for the nickel's worth of free advice.

Free and worth exactly what you paid for it: Nothing.

But until you seriously upgrade your rig, your complaints about performance (as related earlier in this thread) really aren't valid.

Allow me to clarify. I have absolutely ZERO complaints about RoF's performance on my rig. Believe it or not, it's very smooth with the following settings:

Post Effects = OFF
Landscape = MED
Grass = HIGH
Trees = HIGH
Shaders = SPEC: MED
Reflections = MED
Textures = MED
Anisotropic Filter = X8
Forest Visibility = VERY FAR
Shader Quality = MED
Light Sources = 20
Antialiasing = 8
Landscape Mesh = 80%
Object Visibility = 80%
Sound = 32
Sound Quality = LOW


With these settings, I rarely get stuttering on my rig at anytime. For the little amount of time I'm able to fly it each week (i.e., probably less than three hours total), it's a superb sim. So, for anybody out there with a low-end rig like mine who's debating whether or not to dive in, I'll tell them to go for it. It's fun to fly and the graphics are spectacular. I can only imagine what they must look like on current machines.

I only made my earlier performance comment re: PWCG to alert others to stuttering issues on lower-end rigs. PWCG was the only time I experienced serious disruptive stuttering, so I've stopped using it.

P.S. The popcorn post only means that I always get a chuckle out of discussions re: aircraft speeds. So many experts and so little time! <sigh>

Sri. Must be two Dumbos here, huh?

My advice about upgrading you rig still stands.

PWCG is the best Single Player offering available right now. If you can't run PWCG, you're missing the best stuff.

OK, to clarify even further...

I don't get stuttering in "busier" missions with a "stock" RoF mission (campaign or otherwise). For whatever reason I only run into the slideshow with PWCG...even with all of the PWCG settings (i.e., air-ground-structure) on LOW (and with my RoF settings as shown above).

Is it a great add-on? No doubt. I'm familiar with Pat's work dating all the way back to the old RB3D days.

I'm only chipping back in because I don't want people to be put off of trying PWCG because of a misguided belief their mid range PC's won't run it.

For Dumbo

RoF beta Career and PWCG busier missions are not alike. PWCG will always have more going on which is why your older system will give you problems.
Have you tried the latest build of PWCG. Pat has made some significant changes for ver 15 and it could possibly run a little better for you now.
My advice is to set the simple config to low density and then go into the advanced config and lower numbers even further.

I had it running well enough for my son on his older E5200, 2 gig ram and ATI 4850. I was trying to persuade him off of Playstation and FPS games. Didn't work, but was fun to see RoF and PWCG running on an older setup. And at least I can now hijack his PC to use as a dedi server for my Squadron RoF coop nights (using PWCG on High, Medium, medium settings)