Teaser


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/


A group of explorers make use of a newly discovered wormhole to surpass the limitations on human space travel and conquer the vast distances involved in an interstellar voyage.

Official trailer - 16 May:

I'll be seeing this. I'm a big fan of Nolan's film making.

Looks great. Sure hope it taps into a greater desire to get moving again with space exploration. NASA having to choose whether to axe Curiosity or Cassini next year because they can't afford to run both is deeply depressing.

All hope is not lost after all, thank you for bringing us back back from the edge.

Well...maybe it won't be horrible. Maybe.



The Jedi Master

Geez, try to keep your optimism in check, will ya?

Looking at the SF films of the past few years that have been so well-made and done so well at the box office, I find it hard to do so.



The Jedi Master

This will be one of the few upcoming scifi films actually worth paying to see.

Well, it's IMO the best movie teaser/trailer that I've seen in this almost ending year.

I am a big fan of Christopher Nolan, and will be seeing this.

Agreed even though the majority of the trailer has stock footage that isn't even part of the movie! Lol

I liked The Prestige and Inception alright, but I know his work well enough to know I need more to go on than this.

Oh, I think someone needs to add an "alright, alright, alright" with Southern accent here...



The Jedi Master

Yeah, that's definitely true

I have high hope for this movie even because I'm also a fan of Christopher Nolan.


Nevertheless there's one thing that's worrying me about this movie which according to this Wikipedia site (which isn't much, granted):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_(film)

it says:
"The plot is believed to involve time travel and alternate dimensions, but other details are being kept under wraps."

Really, I'm starting to be a bit tired of these Carl Sagan's Contact wannabe movies/plots.
Why every Sci-fi movie that involves interstellar/faster-than-light exploration/travel seems to ends up in some sort of an existential crisis involving time travel and/or alternate dimensions??

Can't someone make a Sci-fi movie about interstellar/faster-than-light exploration/travel that doesn't involve time travel (other timelines) or alternate dimensions?
I mean, why can we have a movie about pure and sheer exploration which focus in stuff such as not only the discovery of a faster-than-light way of travelling (which in the case of this movie seems to be a wormhole) but also interrelation between the ship's crew members (during travel/exploration) or even interaction with some alien planet which could have life (intelligent or non-intelligent, don't care) or long gone alien life and/or civilizations or even no-life traces at all? - Anyway that's what the trailer made me wonder about.

Well, it's the nature of the beast. By definition, you can't travel faster than light. So if you do, you ARE traveling through time. In fact, any velocity greater than .5c and you're really starting to have time dilation effects to the point that it's time travel.

Alternate dimensions is another sort of necessary evil. If you're not traveling through normal space to go FTL (because you can't), where ARE you traveling through?

However, a lot of this is just audience familiarity. You try and have a science fiction film that's not going to confuse the audience, and decades of ST and other films means we have a certain understanding of time travel and alternate dimensions already in the zeitgeist and you can either exploit that by using it, or risk being seen as too confusing by going against it or another way.

Oh, and time travel/alternate dimensions allow for the setting up of "twists" or other surprises to help give the plot a hook that the producers may have needed to get the film funded.



The Jedi Master

+1 Jedi

Well we can debate about what both of us and the rest of humanity really still don't know.

But and entering the realm of speculation and what's already been speculated by experts is that Wormholes, Einstein�Rosen bridges or even Alcubierre drives, hyper-drives/hyper-space, etc... (but lets focus on Wormholes which is the "theme" of the movie) are basically shortcuts! These "shortcuts" which includes hypothetical wormholes works on the principle of bending space around the spaceship and its intended destination and basically join those two separate points in space and thus being able to reach much faster (perhaps almost instantaneously - like a jump between two points in space) to the destination which in normal space at speeds close to light-speed would need hundreds if not thousands of years.
From this perspective and relative to normal space the spaceship would appear to have travelled thru time since the ship would travel thru a place not affected by normal space-time.
BUT (and here's the big BUT) for the spaceship's crew perspective no time or considerable short time would pass either when reaching the destination or even when returning to origin point (Earth) so again in the spaceship's crew perspective there would be absolutely no time travel at all! And that's what really maters.

This of course will always be speculation unless someone can confirm this in the future. But remember all the strange stuff that mankind invented before the sound barrier itself was broken stuff, stuff of which never really happened and I wouldn't surprised that if what's written above would be what could eventually happen (but I most likely won't be alive to witness stuff like this).


And of course there always a proven fact that if light speed was a limiting speed/factor that the universe would never be expanded as it currently is - but that's a matter for discussion in maybe, another thread....







Well if so someone in order to make a interesting (for audience) Sci-fi space movie needs to always or forcedly resort to "existentialist" time-travel or inter-dimensional stuff that I must say that's something wrong with the screenwriters imagination! Well, lack is of imagination is unfortunaly something that we don't lack nowadays, that's for sure!
Anyway, I posted some alternative ideas (alternative to inter-dimensional or time-travel) that someone with better imagination than mine could definitely make it work.

It has nothing to do with imagination. I'm sure there are plenty of scripts out there that have been written like you say you would like seen made.

The problem is no one is willing to fund them. So what does it matter if they're written or not?

As for time travel, most stories revolve around the character traveling thru time and experiencing the world changing around them as opposed to someone having to DEAL with a character that has traveled thru time. Some stories like that exist, but they're in the minority. Back to the Future was not the story of Doc Brown in the 50s dealing with some crazy teenager claiming to be from the future that he then sends away again, not to meet for another 30 years.
So I'm not sure exactly what point you're trying to make as it seems you're arguing for the status quo, which doesn't need to be argued for!



The Jedi Master

So, say you have an atom, and it emits a photon.
Then it travels through a wormhole, in time to
arrive at another location where it absorbs the
same photon it emitted earlier. Now, for the photon,
no time passes; it essentially forms a bridge
instantaneously linking the emitting and absorbing
atoms along a separation of zero space and zero time.
But in this case, the photon is seeing one atom
duplicated into two, and straddles the gap between
them. As far as the photon is concerned, this event
can only happen if the atom can be in two locations
at the same time. I suspect this is one of those
situations which aren't allowed. It looks like mass/energy
is not conserved. At least, in the universe wherein
the photon exists, there is an extra atom, so there
is more mass than in our universe...
of course, that universe exists for zero time, so
perhaps it's OK...

There may be other paradoxen spawned here which I'm
not seeing... For one thing, the atom is directly
coupled to its own future, so in some sense the future
seems predestined, although the communication is
only one way, so I don't see a time sequence paradox
which can be extracted there.

Your example is unclear. Are you saying the atom went thru the wormhole or the photon?

Because it's not possible for time to not pass...if it's emitted, and then reabsorbed, time has passed between the emission and absorption even if it's immediately afterwards. It's not concurrent. The photon has to have been emitted before it can be absorbed. It would also require a wormhole that is approx the length of an atomic diameter if your intent is for the atom it left behind to suddenly be in front of it before it's had the chance to travel any measurable distance.

If I get in my car, back out of the driveway and then pull right back up I didn't go anywhere but I still left and returned and time passed. Obviously on a macro scale it takes more time, but it's the same principle.



The Jedi Master

I'll check it out for the names of Nolan, Chastain, McConagehy(sp), and a few other notables being attached to the film.