Guys

I am sorry I guess I am once bitten twice shy. I still can not forgive and forget the PF debacle and the CLOD nightmare. I will wait and see but I dont have much hope left. But then again here lately I dont fly anymore.

Ah yes so little given, 9 flyable aircraft with ludicrously detailed cockpits, Full CEM and a large map...

Admin Edit - No personal insults.

+1 @ ^

The P-47 cockpit looks amazing. CEM and full weapons, that'll be a dream come true for me when it is released; I'll happily bomb and strafe panzers and pill boxes for hours on end. The Spit IX and other flyables are just a welcomed bonus in my mind.

Really? Insults are being handed out? Some of us don't suffer from memory loss Krupi, and remember the garbage that was spoon fed to us during CLOD's development and for a year after that. Just because it's decent now only after it was abandoned and fixed by modders doesn't mean were ready to jump into the deep end again. You can't call somebody insane because they want to be cautious...I don't blame him.

Sorry, but you have it quite wrong. Use a little common sense and think about it for a minute. IL2BoS (MG's version) was almost done, when the plug was pulled. Do you honestly think the developers abandoned the game? The IL2 developers, under threat of lawsuit, can't even speak the words IL2 nor mention anything in business as they were the original creators in the 1st place.

They hardly abandoned it. They did everything they could to keep the code, buy it etc, after they were shut down. I'm so sick and tired of people thinking the devs game up. The business was stolen right out from underneath them. Do you think 1c poured millions into the project and continued to let them work on the eastern front etc., right up to where it was almost finished, just to say, nope, lets throw it all away? 777 took the reigns and I and anyone else with even the simplest of comprehension, could probably figure out it wasn't 1c that reached out to them. Especially with development almost done in another title that could have, at the very least, had some return on investment.

I don't agree with the way it was released in etc., but to say it was abandoned by the developers is just plain wrong. One day the real story will come out and you might have a little different opinion of Ilya and Oleg than you do now. It's a shame what happened. Krupi is correct.

Nice truths you're carrying Bliss.
Nice.

Now now gentlemen.


I didn't come here to be insulted. And I am not sure what game you guys are talking about and maybe I am insane. But I seem to remember the release of CLOD being a complete cluster. And at no point did I say the developers abandoned anything. (Never mind that was an insult to force and not me)


As I said I hope I am wrong and if I am then I will stand here and laud that I was wrong. But instead of me jumping without looking this time as I did on CLOD I am going to be patient and wait and see. I hope for the sake of simming that I am wrong. But my gut is telling me to be patient.

I don't understand where the absolute certainty that BoM (not BoS) was almost done comes from. Was it luthier's comments? 1C isn't nearly stupid enough to have thrown away a completed, working title. The idea that another developer could walk along uninvited and convince a major publisher to do that is like thinking some mayor in Vladivostok could get Putin to change his stance on Syria.

Now if "done" means "the state CloD was on release", then I can understand them throwing it away, as it would need another 18 months minimum of work!

It doesn't matter WHO abandoned the game, whether it was 1C's call or not (which of course it was), that it was abandoned to cut their losses is certain. They lost faith in the developers, they no longer trusted them. It doesn't matter what you can do if the people you work for don't trust you to do it.

Seems ludicrous to blame the people hired to take over the job for the firing of those who lost theirs. "How dare they be capable of doing the job the laid off were supposed to do!"



The Jedi Master

I'm sure there was more than a little political intrigue involved in IC dropping one developer to add another. I'm also sure that their is plenty of blame that would stick to all parties involved including our own community. To think that there wasn't any cutthroat actions going on to secure IC investment dollars is naive.

EITHER WAY, Ilya's proposed business strategy for DCS WWII is to release at least one WWII map and three free flyables, with the option to buy more. If you didn't feel comfortable fronting cash through Kickstarter because of Ilya's work on PF or CloD, that's fine because you will still be able to download and use the free module when it is released. Then you can judge DCS WWII on its own merits.

Bliss, are you now gonna start your CloD crusade here in this forum, too?

@Bliss: Maybe you should look closer at my post...I never said it was abandoned by the developer...I just said abandoned period. If it was UBI or the devs is irrelevant, and you can't blame Ubisoft if it was them...they were pretty darn patient.

Bottom line, we had a sim that was in development for 6-7 years and instead of a polished product...we had an early alpha boxed on the shelves being sold at full retail without a word from the devs about it's unfinished state. I'm no fan of Ubisoft...but when the original release date was Nov. 2006 and it slipped another 5 years and released Apr. 2011...I would say Ubisoft stuck it out and gave the devs the benefit of the doubt. The poor release and state of the game rests soley on the developers heads.

Getting tired of fans sounding like teenagers and pointing the finger at everyone but the devs for how it came down. It's obvious no publisher will fund this team, so they are asking us to do it, and we have a member calling another member "insane" for exercising caution. Utterly ridiculous...

+1

Agreed, well said.

On..its...OWN?

LUNACY!! 'e's a witch!!! BURN 'EM!!!!




The Jedi Master

Let's keep the thread on-topic and not deleted, please.

Cliffs of Dover discussions can go to either of these two links:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/266/1/IL_2_Cliffs_of_Dover
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/267/1/IL_2_Cliffs_of_Dover_Extended_

Just a heads up, DCS WWII dev partner Oleg Maddox on his latest thoughts re sims past and future

http://www.simhq.com/air-combat/il-2-sturmovik-part1.html

http://www.simhq.com/air-combat/il-2-sturmovik-part2.html

http://www.simhq.com/air-combat/il-2-sturmovik-part3.html

Part 4 hopefully out before year end...

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Agreed, I am not a fan of how "that Game" came out, or how it was handled. But the one thing I really like in "that game" is the Aircraft. I think the DM's are great and the FM's were good enough for this sim flyer. And as soon as "that mod team" fixes the AI not understanding control surface compression, I would say that they did a great job of even boosting "that games" playability.

That being said. The game ENGINE was broken, is broken and will for ever be broken. Whats the silver lining you ask? Ill tell ya. ILya and Oleg and team aren't building an engine. They are building Aircraft. And the track record there seems to be pretty good.

Alas, I still can't trust them enough to pay them money as the one thing that maybe irked the community so badly was the absolutely terrible project management from both lead devs in their respective turns at "that games" controls. And while many things are looking scrumtulesesnt about this next offering. I'm seeing recurrences of the same terrible management. With lots of, "oh im sorry" and "I should have done this better" and WE are behind on this and that, sorry guys". Its just sounding all to familiar. Actually scratch that, we never actually HEARD them say anything about how bad it was going, we just had to find out for ourselves.

At the end of the day, I just wanna have fun with some squad mates, fly missions and watch the track afterwards. If the DCS 1944 team can provide that, Ill support em. But this time they gotta prove it first.

"scrumtulesesnt"

Say what?




The Jedi Master

Lol im glad thats the thing you pulled outta that post Jedi haha!

Come on man, you never watched anchorman?