Things are progressing really well. This looks like it is going to be huge!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WmsnwNq98

Looks incredible and I am really happy they have joysticks working! Is that TrackIR on the monitor?

Now I am definitely going to have to get an Oculus Rift next year!

Dont know if its going to be huge, but so far i'm more that satisfied with what they are showing and how its seems to be heading.
Hope they keep this way.

I have a lot of confidence in them. Seems like they are making great choices. Thanks for that link.

I've been following this since launch and I must admit I prefer the class of Frontier release of videos and pictures to the "SHOVELFUL-TO-YOUR-FACE" of other companies.

*cough-S cough-C*

I can't physically wait anymore.
Awesome.

Plus, let's face it. David Braben (with Ian Bell) created the genre and defined it.
It's impossible to think about ANY space exploration game without bringing Elite to mind.

He's the one. He'll give us the boundless space.

At least in this game when you buy it you also get to keep everything you paid for..without having to buy bogus insurance which is a rip off in the real world let alone in games where it's virtual! I can't believe this insurance thing has been pulled apart and people be up in arms about it.

Firstly, let's not slag off other space sims as surely more the merrier? Chris Roberts was the biggest backer of E:D too...

I am looking forward to this, although I really don't like how the Cobra's look, way too chunky. Looks far sleeker in the original wireframe graphics and I did not use to imagine the cockpit as a bubble right up the back, but in the front panel near the gun.



But I'll be getting a Fer-de-lance at the first opportunity anyway loved that ship.

When is it due to be released?

Heh, honestly I just compared the class in showing progress development.
On the other hand there's insurance in Elite too, just it's a small fee and (I don't know if this is true only for Elite) it's not mandatory. Risky though.


As for ship design, there's a good post about that. Ships in Star Citizen are more akin to planes design whereas Elite is closer to naval design.

Whether this is good or bad, it really just boils down to personal taste.
Me? I can see myself only in an Elite universe.
400 BILLIONS solar systems just quite cut it for me

Yeeeaaa.... i'm concerned that after a couple of months i will not have any system new to know or explore!

Yep, At least there's ship customisation to play with...

I'm a bit leery with the fact that I need to spend 80GBP for the full game. That comes to about $145AUD - a pretty ridiculous amount to ask for the full game.

Sure you get a basic game for less but c'mon, planetary landings, something that was considered a major feature and often used as an ad for E:D, is now considered an "expansion"? The same for walking inside your ship? That's now considered an "expansion" too?

All of these little things should be features in the game. Maybe I'm showing my age but when I read "expansions" I thought it would mean new content such as missions, worlds, other ships. Not features that should be (and some advertised) as core features.

Hate to say it, but at least with SC you get the full game and all its features for $35. No making owners pay extra if they wanted to walk inside their ship or other featu... er.. "expansions" of the game.

What next? Want to remote trad expansion? Want to EVA expansion?

That is the only thing that really holds me up from buying the game too. It just seems like they are features that will break MP gameplay if I am cooping with a friend and I can walk around my ship and land on planets but he cant. I am ok with ships being extra or other exclusive content but not core gameplay elements.

Else I would have backed ED a long time ago. I have no problem dropping money on SC but I dont want to have tiers of gameplay that prevents me playing with friends.

The way I see it SC does planetary landing completely differently.
There's no seamless planetary landing plus there's no real orbits for celestial bodies. Planets are scaled down and... well it's not space.

I've grown with Elite since the first iteration. Space is huge, with countless stars and with orbits, solar systems wide happenings... I just can't see it reduced to a sequence of very far checkpoints...

I will not stick myself to the "how much people throw to which games"... but again, give the sheer size and scope of Elite Dangerous, 80 are nothing.
Plus those are only the first expansions we know of...

I can’t stop myself to percieve SC as pretty limited >IN COMPARISON< ... by itslf it's still pretty cool.

Come to think of it... for 35$ SC still doesn't have planetary landing. And still not for whatever sum you dish out.

You have a checkpoint... cutscene... you're on planet.

Which is fine, as long as YOU have fun. But don't come here and tell me that's landing...

Same way, everyone I kniw who pledged SC dished in more than ten times 35 $.

Which is still fine if you are happy...

Peace.

You utterly missed the point of what I was saying.

Ok completely take out planetary landings or whatever. Where do the supposed "expansions" end?

And these expansions should really be called in game core features.

It is not an expansion in terms of extra content like worlds or ships even. It's stuff that seems to be a feature of the game.

So I ask again - where does it end? An expanded combat expansion that people will now have to pay for? An EVA expansion... Oh hey lets throw in a bar expansion or a toilet expansion while we're at it. Where does it end?

When do I say i bought a complete game - wait actually I know the answer to that: 80GBP.
But then no doubt they'll come up with a REAL expansion in the traditional sense and we'd be paying more then too.

I'm more than willing to pay an amount for a game if I feel they're doing right by their supporters. I'm an MWO Overlord, have about 20k gold eagles right now, and yes I've spent huge amounts on SC.

But hey, they were all by choice cos I didn't feel that a company was trying to nickel and dime me with neverending core features of the game ... sorry "expansions". I could have stopped completely at $35 for SC and still gotten the FULL game with access to everything that a Grand Admiral has paid... exact... same... content.

Can the same be said for E:D.?

I'll start with some concept...


First:
Easy man, chill.

I have no pleasure in trolling and I'm afraid (I might be mistaken, though) you're thinking I'm trying to.

Don't be. I love videogames and I think Chris Roberts can pull off anything he wants.

I also understand you're pretty fired up about SC, and it's comprehensible. It looks amazing.
And I KNOW for sure hundreds of thousands of people are going to enjoy it massively.

Why? Because it's going to offer them be what they are looking for.
Which is fantastic.

Second:
That said, your fear of what "Expansions" in Elite can cause or mean is pretty badly put.
I like to think that anything I said about SC is based on actual informations I have.

Have you read anything about Elite from the Design Archive?

If we don't start with a common ground there's no need for this textual-skirmish...


Third:
This is textbook definiton of F.U.D.

All of this was explained and covered by the most basical Elite Dangerous FAQ.
Plus is quite gratuituos, nonsensical and flamish.

Fourth:


This is what I'm talking about...
Based on past experiences, I prefer Frontier game-design to Chris Roberts. Choices.
I'm not saying yours are wrong. I will not let you piss on mine.

Thanks... I guess.

Maybe not cos you haven't answered anything at all except vague references to a FAQ. Educate me if I'm wrong about the expansions.

Forget SC.

This is like selling BF4 or any other game without some features and then charging for that feature later on as "an expansion".
What if EA made BF4 but then decided to say if you want to hop in a jet, that's in our jet expansion for $20. Tanks.. that's our tank "expansion" for $20.

Actually it's worse than that in E:D's case. Take the planetary model. So if you're in combat and you're winning, the guy who bought that expansion can just evade you by going planetside.

That's like me shooting a guy in BF4, CoD, Arma3, insert any game you like here, and my enemy suddenly crossing an arbitrary line where I can't shoot him anymore. That core feature of the game is closed off to me.

You don't see a problem with that?

And you still havne't answered: when will it end? what feature will they implement under the term "expansion" that we have to pay for more?

EDIT: I'm looking at this wiki and the FAQ but still nothing about what they propose about further game features been called "expansions" other than, more than once, a reminder that paying the 80GBP will net you all future expansions.


But there's little point arguing over it - this is the path that E:D has chosen to take.

But call it for what it is - the full game is 80GBP.