Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#3847109 - 10/07/13 02:57 PM Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie)  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 22,405
letterboy1 Offline
(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
letterboy1  Offline
(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
Lifer

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 22,405
Columbus, GA USA


The issue is not p*ssy. The issue is monkey.
Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#3847112 - 10/07/13 03:00 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 6,779
EAF331 MadDog Offline
XBL: LanceHawkins
EAF331 MadDog  Offline
XBL: LanceHawkins
Hotshot

Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 6,779
Oslo, Norway
Directed by Kenneth Brannagh, must watch biggrin

#3847113 - 10/07/13 03:01 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
PanzerMeyer Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
Miami, FL USA
I'll be seeing it in the theatre. This has been a good year for Chris Pine. Leading roles in two major films.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3847123 - 10/07/13 03:15 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
Raw Kryptonite Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Raw Kryptonite  Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Veteran

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
MS
Why not Without Remorse?
Oh well, still glad to see a Clancy movie being made again.


·Steam: Raw Kryptonite ·MWO & Elite Dangerous: Defcon Won ·Meager youtube channel
·Intel i5-9600K ·EVGA GTX1070 FTW 8GB ·EVGA CLC 120 Cooler
·16 GB Patriot Memory VIPER 4 3000MHz ·GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO WiFi Mobo
· CORSAIR CARBIDE AIR 540 case ·BenQ BL3200PT monitor
#3847126 - 10/07/13 03:25 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Jedi Master Offline
Entil'zha
Jedi Master  Offline
Entil'zha
Sierra Hotel

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Space Coast, USA
I don't even see why it's Jack Ryan. It's not a novel adaptation, it's not a Clancy story.

I'm sorry to say Jack Ryan as a character was never as interesting as James Bond or Jason Bourne or many other characters who have lived beyond the creator's works. And I think frankly casting Chris Pine is overdoing it. He's too competent.



The Jedi Master


The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
#3847166 - 10/07/13 04:44 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: Jedi Master]  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 22,405
letterboy1 Offline
(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
letterboy1  Offline
(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
Lifer

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 22,405
Columbus, GA USA
Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
I don't even see why it's Jack Ryan. It's not a novel adaptation, it's not a Clancy story.

I'm sorry to say Jack Ryan as a character was never as interesting as James Bond or Jason Bourne or many other characters who have lived beyond the creator's works. And I think frankly casting Chris Pine is overdoing it. He's too competent.



The Jedi Master


I guess, it's in the spirit of Jack Ryan (again, loosely), but it certainly doesn't seem to be in the Ryan universe. On the other hand, the cast and director make me want to give it a chance.

Speaking of the Bourne movies, now that I am almost finished reading the three novels from which the titles came, I find myself loosening up a lot from when I used to expect maximum fidelity from film adaptations of novels. I just do a little research first so I know what to expect in terms of adaptation fidelity. The Bourne novels and movies are so different as to be barely related in movies two and three, but since I read the novels after seeing the movies I found myself feeling as if I was getting twice the entertainment value because there were no spoilers!


The issue is not p*ssy. The issue is monkey.
#3847173 - 10/07/13 04:55 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
PanzerMeyer Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
Miami, FL USA
Can anyone think of a film adaptation that was identical to the book it was based on?


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3847174 - 10/07/13 05:00 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 22,405
letterboy1 Offline
(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
letterboy1  Offline
(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
Lifer

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 22,405
Columbus, GA USA
Paganini was a composer.

Anyway, back to identical film adaptations . . . hmmmm, just how strictly are we speaking?


The issue is not p*ssy. The issue is monkey.
#3847175 - 10/07/13 05:05 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
PanzerMeyer Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
Miami, FL USA
Originally Posted By: letterboy1
hmmmm, just how strictly are we speaking?
Good question. Let's just say a film that didn't have any characters or major plot points that were not in the book.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3847203 - 10/07/13 05:35 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
Raw Kryptonite Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Raw Kryptonite  Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Veteran

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
MS
Last Man on Earth was pretty close to I Am Legend. They changed his job, but otherwise very close.
Fellowship of the Ring was plucked from my memory as a kid, but I'm sure the Ring Wraiths will have a field day pointing out how wrong I am.
2001, with the exception of Jupiter and Saturn, but of course that's by design due the book and movie being released together.

IMO, it's very impressive when a book-movie is a major re-write but still ends up being a really good movie.
Again, I Am Legend (Will Smith) has almost nothing in common with the book, but I love the movie.
Clear and Present Danger is such a re-write it might as well have another title, but I still love both the book and the movie. The book is better, but the movie even with it's Ryan-ified re-write is still very good.


·Steam: Raw Kryptonite ·MWO & Elite Dangerous: Defcon Won ·Meager youtube channel
·Intel i5-9600K ·EVGA GTX1070 FTW 8GB ·EVGA CLC 120 Cooler
·16 GB Patriot Memory VIPER 4 3000MHz ·GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO WiFi Mobo
· CORSAIR CARBIDE AIR 540 case ·BenQ BL3200PT monitor
#3847207 - 10/07/13 05:42 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
PanzerMeyer Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
Miami, FL USA
Concerning 2001, the way Arthur C. Clarke describes what Bowman sees during his pod journey to the monolith is very different from the way Kubrick showed it on film. But yes, the movie is largely faithful to the book.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3847247 - 10/07/13 06:33 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,763
Catfish Offline
Member
Catfish  Offline
Member

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,763
Where the ocean meets the sky
"Jack Ryan, as a young covert CIA analyst,
uncovers a Russian plot to crash the U.S. economy
with a terrorist attack."


Ah i love those clichs.

What about Jack Ryan, as a young covert CIA analyst, eavesdrops on his own family, finds out some stranger screws his own wife, and finds out the NSA does it to the whole USA ?

winkngrin

Last edited by Catfish; 10/07/13 06:35 PM.
#3847249 - 10/07/13 06:38 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 20,152
Top Gun Offline
Lifer
Top Gun  Offline
Lifer

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 20,152
Roch-Vegas NH
Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
Why not Without Remorse?
Oh well, still glad to see a Clancy movie being made again.


That to me should have been the next movie made. I watched the trailer, not overly impressed.


XboxLive Tag: DOBrienTG1969

Dave O'Brien,
Top Gun Photography
Nikon D500 & D7200
Nikkor 70-200VR AF-s F/2.8
Sigma 50-500 & 17-50 F2.8
Sigma 150-600
#3847256 - 10/07/13 06:53 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
Raw Kryptonite Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Raw Kryptonite  Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Veteran

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
MS
Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Concerning 2001, the way Arthur C. Clarke describes what Bowman sees during his pod journey to the monolith is very different from the way Kubrick showed it on film. But yes, the movie is largely faithful to the book.


True, and the biggest short coming of the movie. I think they were going for something much less understandable in the movie as a sign of the time it was made. I'd have rather they showed us the train station/router described in the book.


·Steam: Raw Kryptonite ·MWO & Elite Dangerous: Defcon Won ·Meager youtube channel
·Intel i5-9600K ·EVGA GTX1070 FTW 8GB ·EVGA CLC 120 Cooler
·16 GB Patriot Memory VIPER 4 3000MHz ·GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO WiFi Mobo
· CORSAIR CARBIDE AIR 540 case ·BenQ BL3200PT monitor
#3847332 - 10/07/13 09:17 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 22,405
letterboy1 Offline
(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
letterboy1  Offline
(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
Lifer

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 22,405
Columbus, GA USA
The Outlaw Jose Wales was supposed to be very closely matched between novel and script, but I didn't read the book and am taking it on the word of a friend who was familiar with both.


The issue is not p*ssy. The issue is monkey.
#3847337 - 10/07/13 09:33 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 6,779
EAF331 MadDog Offline
XBL: LanceHawkins
EAF331 MadDog  Offline
XBL: LanceHawkins
Hotshot

Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 6,779
Oslo, Norway
The problem with adapting any of the Jack Ryan books is they they are old. They are anicent. They deal with something that was over before 50% of movie audiences was born. It's simple, the Cold War is not an interesting setting for Generation X.

Which is why movies like the Bourne series have been moved into the present. So they need to do the same with Jack Ryan (they *could* have used Jack Ryan Jr, but alas).

#3847339 - 10/07/13 09:41 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
PanzerMeyer Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Offline
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,472
Miami, FL USA
MadDog makes a great point. Heck, even Desert Storm is considered to be old history by a large portion of current audiences.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3847346 - 10/07/13 09:54 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,413
Cold_Flying Offline
6079 Smith
Cold_Flying  Offline
6079 Smith
Member

Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,413
Quebec, Canada
Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
MadDog makes a great point. Heck, even Desert Storm is considered to be old history by a large portion of current audiences.


Good Lord, man, people were reading books on paper back then.

It's like it was a different millennium.


Question everything!
#3847357 - 10/07/13 10:09 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: letterboy1]  
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 432
jazjar Offline
Member
jazjar  Offline
Member

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 432
Darn, if they don't make a movie about Debt of Honor I'll make it myself lol.

#3847358 - 10/07/13 10:12 PM Re: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Clancy-based movie) [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,353
HitchHikingFlatlander Offline
Senior Member
HitchHikingFlatlander  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,353
California
Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Fellowship of the Ring was plucked from my memory as a kid, but I'm sure the Ring Wraiths will have a field day pointing out how wrong I am.


As a fan of the books I don't think it could have been done much better for a wide audience to get the story. They did change a lot in the story but again for the benefit of a movie going audience. A lot of the major characters in the movies were really played lip service in the books.

As for the Ryan movie I'm mixed on it theres so much book material to play with without having to make an original story. And I want to see No Remorse made into a movie but I'd hate to see it brought into a modern setting as the story sits so well in the Vietnam era. Problem with that is the larger movie going audience won't get that setting.


I've got a bad feeling about this.....
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RacerGT 

Quick Search
Recent Articles
Support SimHQ

If you shop on Amazon use this Amazon link to support SimHQ
.
Social


Recent Topics
Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
Grumman Wildcat unique landing gear
by Coot. 04/17/24 03:54 PM
Peter Higgs was 94
by Rick_Rawlings. 04/17/24 12:28 AM
Whitey Herzog was 92
by F4UDash4. 04/16/24 04:41 PM
Anyone can tell me what this is?
by NoFlyBoy. 04/16/24 04:10 PM
10 Years ago MV Sewol
by wormfood. 04/15/24 08:25 PM
Pride Of Jenni race win
by NoFlyBoy. 04/15/24 12:22 AM
It's Friday: grown up humor for the weekend.
by NoFlyBoy. 04/12/24 01:41 PM
OJ Simpson Dead at 76
by bones. 04/11/24 03:02 PM
They wokefied tomb raider !!
by Blade_RJ. 04/10/24 03:09 PM
Copyright 1997-2016, SimHQ Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0