#3832368 - 09/05/13 08:16 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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Duke Nevada-ukem Forever you mean?
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that Well, when you've been promised it since Feb 2011 it sorta, kinda is...
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#3832371 - 09/05/13 08:23 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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I'm in, for the good of the genre. I do want this to succeed.
I'm surprised by Olegs involvement, after CloD I'm not sure if his presence will be viewed as a plus or a minus. I do wonder how involved he actually is. He obviously has other commitments, maybe more of a thankyou to Luthier? He is one of the few names in the flightsim genre that's recognisable to the general gaming community.
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#3832373 - 09/05/13 08:31 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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> I'm in, for the good of the genre. I do want this to succeed. Yeah, the weird thing about the hobby is that in forums you get the impression that some people actually do not want something like this to succeed, like some sort of Pyrrhic victory. They then move on to claiming the genre is dead, with a sort of faux angst. I can get apathy or even understand just ignoring it (fine, I don't follow fly fishing), but sometimes these things seem to inspire all sorts of 'I am upset' over-spill that turns grown men into vindictive kids. It's a recurring theme that's gone on for 20 odd years in the flight sim community (even BBS's used to have the 'angry anonymous'). It happens in a lot of hobbies I guess. (shrug)
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#3832376 - 09/05/13 08:33 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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Well, when you've been promised it since Feb 2011 it sorta, kinda is...
Well, the fact that you fail to draw a distinction between EDGE on the one hand and Nevada on the other is indicative enough. Be that as it may, I suppose you are entitled to your opinion, however misguided it may be. Honestly, comparing it to what, Duke Nukem (?) is just stirring, or is that trolling.
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#3832378 - 09/05/13 08:37 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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Well, when you've been promised it since Feb 2011 it sorta, kinda is...
Well, the fact that you fail to draw a distinction between EDGE on the one hand and Nevada on the other is indicative enough. Be that as it may, I suppose you are entitled to your opinion, however misguided it may be. Honestly, comparing it to what, Duke Nukem (?) is just stirring, or is that trolling. [admin edit: no personal attacks]
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#3832384 - 09/05/13 08:48 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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I wish them all the best, but after plunking down 100 bucks for a copy of CoD for my brother and I at launch and getting a crap buggy game that barely ran on his mid level pc no thanks.
Before I give them my cash I'd have to see more of the EDGE engine and what it can do differently than the current DCS engine.
Right now I'm committed to BoS.
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#3832385 - 09/05/13 08:49 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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I did get a good laugh at Oleg by the fireplace...I expect to see many flight sim memes made from that. As a graphic designer aye that logo is lookin rough, even with a limited budget you could make something much better than that.
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#3832386 - 09/05/13 08:49 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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I'm in, for the good of the genre. I do want this to succeed.
I'm surprised by Olegs involvement, after CloD I'm not sure if his presence will be viewed as a plus or a minus. I do wonder how involved he actually is. He obviously has other commitments, maybe more of a thankyou to Luthier? He is one of the few names in the flightsim genre that's recognisable to the general gaming community. Why would you be surprised? Oleg's team made the best WWII combat sim of all time, arguably the best combat sim ever made in history. Do you honestly feel IL2COD's release was the fault of Oleg or Ilya? I'll never understand these comments. It's as if you think they wanted it released as it was. Even in its buggy release, I could see all the painstaking details in it all. Stuff that has never been seen in another flight sim since. It boggles the mind how much passion there is in the game. And with the modders fixing various things, there isn't a WWII sim out there that comes close. What they tried to achieve is mind boggling. It's a shame more couldn't be arsed to see it. Because from those of us that enjoy it, we know just how much was achieved under the curtains of it all. Will I support Ilya/Oleg? Without even thinking about it. They have made some of the only sims that I never tire of. The sandbox they have created in both IL2's is unsurpassed by any other sim out there. This is an absolute no brainer. And they don't need to waste 10's of 1000s on a video. Their previous work more than speaks for itself. I haven't been this excited in a long time. These guys essentially defined proper combat sims. I just find some of these comments hilarious. But carry on.
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#3832389 - 09/05/13 08:53 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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But those planes went into production in 1944? And the name of this sim is DCS WWII: 1944, not DCS WWII: D-Day? Are you confused? Trying too hard to find fault are we? I find very comical the set of flyable aircraft chosen by these guys and their historical Inaccuracy (and the lack of research by these guys)! Lets see, the map of this DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will be Normandy which means that we're talking about D-Day and probably the preceding months (Allied gaining Air Superiority over Northern France, namely Normandy), right? Than WHY OF HELL ON EARTH that the flyable Luftwaffe aircraft (and variants) and the Focke-Wulf FW190D-9 and the Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 being that the production for both aircraft only stated on August 1944 (well after the D-Day invasion) and only entered in service after this date?!
Things like this and the lack of dynamic campaigns means NO THANKS for me!
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#3832390 - 09/05/13 08:53 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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Furbs, yeah I thought it was fairly horrific but in short summary (I'm at work, being naughty) I didn't care that much . Balance over the last 10 years or so he's provided me lots of entertainment, and yes CLOD was disappointing in many, many ways, but overall I'm just an optimistic type so will drop some cash for this and BOS. I'm pretty sure he's not a bond villain, stroking white cats full of 15 million quid cat food, and that the reality of these situation is probably pretty far removed from how we perceive it on forums. I just spent $80 putting gas/petrol in a car, so have trouble worrying too much about these things. I can completely understand people staying clear though.
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#3832393 - 09/05/13 08:56 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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Furbs, yeah I thought it was fairly horrific but in short summary (I'm at work, being naughty) I didn't care that much . Balance over the last 10 years or so he's provided me lots of entertainment, and yes CLOD was disappointing in many, many ways, but overall I'm just an optimistic type so will drop some cash for this and BOS. I'm pretty sure he's not a bond villain, stroking white cats full of 15 million quid cat food, and that the reality of these situations is probably pretty far removed from how we perceive it on forums. I just spent $80 putting gas/petrol in a car, so have trouble worrying too much about these things. I can completely understanding people staying clear though. Nicely put, thanks.
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#3832394 - 09/05/13 08:56 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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Bottomline ends up being this, one of the theories was always that the were pushed by the producer. That excuse is off the table, so whether you agree with that theory or not, its all on them now. I was impressed with where CloD was wanting to go, dissapointed it never got there... now they have an opportunity to show us what they got. If the mess this up its game over for them, of that I am pretty sure, I would assume they know that... These people that dont see the potential are only missing out on more WWII era sim goodness.. sucks to be them, I'm in. I'm in, for the good of the genre. I do want this to succeed.
I'm surprised by Olegs involvement, after CloD I'm not sure if his presence will be viewed as a plus or a minus. I do wonder how involved he actually is. He obviously has other commitments, maybe more of a thankyou to Luthier? He is one of the few names in the flightsim genre that's recognisable to the general gaming community. Why would you be surprised? Oleg's team made the best WWII combat sim of all time, arguably the best combat sim ever made in history. Do you honestly feel IL2COD's release was the fault of Oleg or Ilya? I'll never understand these comments. It's as if you think they wanted it released as it was. Even in its buggy release, I could see all the painstaking details in it all. Stuff that has never been seen in another flight sim since. It boggles the mind how much passion there is in the game. And with the modders fixing various things, there isn't a WWII sim out there that comes close. What they tried to achieve is mind boggling. It's a shame more couldn't be arsed to see it. Because from those of us that enjoy it, we know just how much was achieved under the curtains of it all. Will I support Ilya/Oleg? Without even thinking about it. They have made some of the only sims that I never tire of. The sandbox they have created in both IL2's is unsurpassed by any other sim out there. This is an absolute no brainer. And they don't need to waste 10's of 1000s on a video. Their previous work more than speaks for itself. I haven't been this excited in a long time. These guys essentially defined proper combat sims. I just find some of these comments hilarious. But carry on.
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#3832399 - 09/05/13 09:07 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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I find very comical the set of flyable aircraft chosen by these guys and their historical Inaccuracy (and the lack of research by these guys)! Lets see, the map of this DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will be Normandy which means that we're talking about D-Day and probably the preceding months (Allied gaining Air Superiority over Northern France, namely Normandy), right? Than WHY OF HELL ON EARTH that the flyable Luftwaffe aircraft (and variants) and the Focke-Wulf FW190D-9 and the Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 being that the production for both aircraft only stated on August 1944 (well after the D-Day invasion) and only entered in service after this date?!
Things like this and the lack of dynamic campaigns means NO THANKS for me! Im gonna say this nicely.... you just over analyzed the entire Kickstarter. The entire thing isnt based around D-Day, it was mentioned on playing a D-Day Re-Creation, but no where does it Say the entire Campaign is Centered around D-Day, Battle of the Falaise pocket and The Battle of Bulge are also mentioned a few times. Calm down.
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#3832405 - 09/05/13 09:13 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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Now hes back talking about a new sim as if CLOD and the last 9 years never existed...come on.
Im going to back the sim because we need more world war 2 flight sims and i DO want this to succeed, just as much as i want BOS to succeed, but im not going to pretend Oleg and Luthiers last effort never happened. Oleg worked hard for that chair and fire, you have to give him that. CLod was more a failure of him to make it playable for the older rigs out there, of which I had one on game release.
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#3832410 - 09/05/13 09:14 PM
Re: DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Kickstarter
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But those planes went into production in 1944? And the name of this sim is DCS WWII: 1944, not DCS WWII: D-Day? Are you confused? Trying too hard to find fault are we? I find very comical the set of flyable aircraft chosen by these guys and their historical Inaccuracy (and the lack of research by these guys)! Lets see, the map of this DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will be Normandy which means that we're talking about D-Day and probably the preceding months (Allied gaining Air Superiority over Northern France, namely Normandy), right? Than WHY OF HELL ON EARTH that the flyable Luftwaffe aircraft (and variants) and the Focke-Wulf FW190D-9 and the Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 being that the production for both aircraft only stated on August 1944 (well after the D-Day invasion) and only entered in service after this date?!
Things like this and the lack of dynamic campaigns means NO THANKS for me! It's the usual ricnunes post, don't get too bothered by it. As for the people crying for Oleg trying to remind us of CloDs failure, they seem to forget who made Il-2.
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