I didn't play this game (Flanker 2.5) for some time ago and I'm thinking about installing it again in my HD!
But there was an issue that I didn't like in this game that was the Air to Ground Radar! It is very unrealistic because of the following:

-First the SU-33 doesn't have an Air-to-Ground Radar! Except probably for an Air to Ground SEA (detection of ships) mode only which is not modeled in the game! This appears to be true since it appears that SU-33 is able to carry and launch the Moskit Anti-Ship Missiles!

-Secondly even if SU-33 had an Air-to-Ground radar (Mapping mode), that it hasn't in reality the "quality" wouldn't be so great (it appears more a FLIR image than a radar one) since the Russian Radar image quality isn't as good as their American counterparts (and in this game it appears otherwise)!


So what I wanted to ask is if there is a patch or a mod that can change this??

No

stop *****en this is still a pretty kick ass game

You are correct.The real Su-33 Has no groundradar this is an inaccuracy in the game.

The reason for this is to add gameplay.

However this has been removed from Lomac, as well as a number of other unrealistic items.

Proper Ground radar will hopefuly be introduced with the proposed F/a-18 Addon for lomac

Nate

It's a petty that there isn't a mod to modify/correct this issue!
Well thanks for answers anyway.

There is a way to correct this issue.

Don't use it in the game

Simple huh?

Nate

AH, AH, AH!! That one was a really good idead!

Well, what I wanted was a working Air-to-Ground SEA Radar that the real SU-33 almost certainly have since the SU-33 carries Moskit Anti-Ship Missiles in reality!
If there is a way to use these missiles (Moskits) efectivelly without using the in game Air-to-Ground Radar I would appreciate an answer!

Thanks in advance...

You are kind of 4 years to late.. No patch will ever corect that..Su 33 perhaps doesn't needa AIrGround radar to launch the Kh41.

I wasn't exactly asking for an "Official Patch" but rather a mod, since there are lots of people in the world making good mods for many PC games!

What he said. IF the Su33 is *really* capable to fire the Moskit, this is thanks to target datalink, given by Tu22, Tu142 or surface ships. The actual Su33 does not have any onboard sensor to acquire a lock on naval targets.

First of all, thanks for the information!

Well, after making some deeper research about the SU-33 it appears that the actual SU-33 can't really launch the Moskit! The Moskits appeared were carried by SU-33 (in centerline pylon) in an Airshow for demostrations purposes only! It's hoped that a radar upgrade will give the SU-33 the capability for launching these missiles (and other types of Air-to-Ground weapons)!

For more information see:
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/airwing/aircraft/flanker.htm

Well that capability to launch antiship missile without a radar lock is present in many russian ships and planes. One example that came into my mind is the Antey or Granit class of submarines(Nato called Oscar1 , Oscar2). The missile are guided after launch by a plane or chopper etc.

So carring Kh41 and firing in indirect mode might not be possible.

BTW..I know that site.Is JJ_Alpha site, a long time Flanker fan.

Have seen a couple of times the sincere claim the Su-33 does not have any type of ATG radar, & seem a little suprised by it.

Even recognizing Russia, formerly the Soviet Union, used to make military decisions primarily based upon political motives rather than if it can actually be militarily done.

That Russia would go to the incredible expense of building a carrier that cannot launch a plane that can do ground attacks. What good is it. It would have no offensive capabilities, and Russia as big as it is, and as land locked as it is does not need any further defensive capabilities beyond its formidible ground air force.

Maybe the Su-33 was a work in progress at the time of Flanker 2.0, to be placed on the all ready built Kuznetzov. If so, dont mind a little realistic based fantasy flying with the currently modeled 33. As in, what Russia could have fielded if it had the money.

But still, wouldnt be suprised if the Su-33 does have some type of ground radar capabilities, & its just tough to get anyone official to tell us about them.

Signing Off
Tom Chumley

The Kuznetsov is a "Heavy Aircraft Carrying Cruiser" with extremely capable surface to surface, surface to air, and anti-submarine capabilities of its own. Unlike an American task force which supports the Carrier with its air to ground capabilities, the Kuz actually provides support for a Russian task force. Russians would rely more on surface to surface attacks than air to surface. Think of the Kuz as more of a Heavy Missle Cruiser that happens to carry aircraft.

No offensive capabilities for the SU-33? I wouldn't say that. True, it does not have A2G radar and its primary role would be to defend the Kuznetsov. But that does not mean it can't carry guided weapons. In addition to optically guided bombs and iron bombs, it is alleged to carry the Kh-35 cruise missle as well as the Kh-31P and Kh-58 anti-ship/anti-radiation missles, none of which would require on board radar.

Probably the main function of a Kuznetsov group would be anti-ship rather than ground attack although its capabilities in that role would be respectable. A battle between the Kuz and a Nimitz class carrier would be "interesting".

Wrong allegation it seems. Only unguided rockets and bombs. Thus the Kusnetzow airwing is hardly more than an air defense one. But, as you said, the air-to-ground and air-to-sea offensive capacities are fitted somewhere else on the russian fleet.

The Kuznetsov inded carries Attack aircraft (for Air-to-Ground missions):
-> The SU-25 Navalized version!!

I don't usually get involved in technical discussions but I don't think there is such an aircraft. I've read about a two seater training version of the Su-25 that is carrier capable but it doesn't carry ordinance.

Well you are trying to compare Apples with Oranges.
Kuznetzov was designed to provide air cover for Russian Fleet, and not to provide offensive capabilities for it. If you step back a little you will noticed that strangelly enough, SOviet Union was mostly oriented for Defensive and not offensive like US.("best defence is the attack" -principle).
And anyway the capability to launch AG attacks might be easy to be obtain by a simple RADAR upgrade if the funds are there.

Apples and oranges, true. Two very different philosophies. But I have to disagree that the Kuznetsov was not designed with offensive capabilities.

The Kuznetsov could provide defensive aircover with its aircraft but something tells me the 12 SS-N-9's which it carries were for something more than defense. You do know about "shipwrecks" don't you? Pretty terrifying beast.

The Kuznetsov was designed and built as an offensive ship. The purpose of the Soviet fleet not "projection of power" (as are American) but to intercept and destroy NATO forces. You could call that defense in the sense of defending the homeland but of course you can make that same statement about the purpose of NATO forces. Interception really is an offensive manuever.

The Kuznetsov is (was) capable of defending itself while carrying out an attack from far over the horizon. Put the Kirov and the Kuznetsov together and you have quite a combination of deadly offense.

well those are antishiping missiles:) used both defense and offence:)