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#3827578 - 08/26/13 06:44 PM The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made.  
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Fascinating on how some places the divide is so clear, like Detroit for example.


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#3827594 - 08/26/13 07:16 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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My first serious complaint about that map:

Latino is NOT a race. Latino/Hispanic simply refers to someone from a Spanish speaking country or somene who has parents that came from Spanish speaking countries. There are white Latinos, black Latinos, Asian Latinos, etc.

Ugh.


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#3827598 - 08/26/13 07:20 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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In the past, most forms and applications had Hispanic as a race. So, not too hard to accept the Latino carryover.

#3827600 - 08/26/13 07:22 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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It's still an erroneous classification. It would be like saying Jewish is a race.


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#3827617 - 08/26/13 08:10 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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And yet, that was done on the same forms. duck

#3827642 - 08/26/13 09:22 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Many anthropologists argue that race is an arbitrary classification anyway, it's more accurate to describe classifications according to language families. Panzer is right- Jewish is not a race. However, it's presumably more convenient for some reason or another for people to classify themselves or others into racial categories.


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#3827662 - 08/26/13 10:03 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
My first serious complaint about that map:

Latino is NOT a race. Latino/Hispanic simply refers to someone from a Spanish speaking country or somene who has parents that came from Spanish speaking countries. There are white Latinos, black Latinos, Asian Latinos, etc.

Ugh.


Colbert used the word "truthiness" before on his show and it perfectly describes the conflict between what is linguistically correct and what is commonly accepted.

For example, the word "racist" used to have a specific definition, but because of the often convenient method of rounding off to the nearest true sounding word, we change the words and meanings on the fly and they get accepted due to popular vote. Now any comment that is remotely related to race is deemed "racist."

To go against this phenomenon is to joust windmills. What a racket; we get taught proper grammar, syntax, vocabulary and so forth and then we watch it get sodomized right in front of us just when we learned to revere it.


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#3827682 - 08/26/13 11:06 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
My first serious complaint about that map:

Latino is NOT a race. Latino/Hispanic simply refers to someone from a Spanish speaking country or somene who has parents that came from Spanish speaking countries. There are white Latinos, black Latinos, Asian Latinos, etc.

Ugh.


Well, yeah... I mean, I certainly don't look like the typical portray of Latino, which is usually a Mexican "Pancho Villa style" smile

But I can understand the confusion, years of the same image combined with the majority of people not traveling to these countries generate that. I still find every day people thinking that South Africa is all black people, when in reality there are 8% of whites, and the whitest kind of white: blond hear and blue eyes. Like this cutie. woot


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#3827786 - 08/27/13 05:26 AM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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When I look at the map for SoCal I can tell if the Asian population is Vietnamese or Chinese simply based on the neighborhood although they are the same color on the map. Also, in CA it is folks of Mexican descent mainly and in South Florida it is Cubans and in New York it is probably Puerto Ricans. The map is only making broad lumps.

Jason

#3827838 - 08/27/13 11:10 AM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
When I look at the map for SoCal I can tell if the Asian population is Vietnamese or Chinese simply based on the neighborhood although they are the same color on the map. Also, in CA it is folks of Mexican descent mainly and in South Florida it is Cubans and in New York it is probably Puerto Ricans. The map is only making broad lumps.

Jason
I believe Orange, CA has a major Vietnamese community there.


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#3827844 - 08/27/13 11:27 AM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
My first serious complaint about that map:
Latino is NOT a race. Latino/Hispanic simply refers to someone from a Spanish speaking country or somene who has parents that came from Spanish speaking countries. There are white Latinos, black Latinos, Asian Latinos, etc.
Ugh.


This is true.. and as quiet as it is kept .. most Latinos in the Americas are primarily of Native descent ... in the Carribean it is mostly European and African as most of the natives in the Carribean were exterminated. Most Mexicans/Central Americans are of Aztek descent, South Americans are largely of Incan and Mayan descent with European, African and East Indian sprinkled in there.

Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
When I look at the map for SoCal I can tell if the Asian population is Vietnamese or Chinese simply based on the neighborhood although they are the same color on the map. Also, in CA it is folks of Mexican descent mainly and in South Florida it is Cubans and in New York it is probably Puerto Ricans. The map is only making broad lumps.
Jason


Nerw York is a mixed bag when it comes to Latinos.. The Bronx and upper Manhattan is largely Perto Rican and Dominican .. Queens has a large Columbian population .. and other Spanish speaking nationalities are liberally spread throughout the city.


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#3827865 - 08/27/13 12:32 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Interseting stuff; but I do agree with Panzer. Calling Latino a 'race' is like calling British a race. How would folks react if we divided up a city or state into the places where the people came from the British Isles vs the places where the people came from Scandanavia ??

Once upon a time we segregated the Englsih from the Irish from the Italians

Using this logic: is a Chinese person of a different 'race' than a Japanese person ?

All my folks for at least 400 years have come from SW Engalnd and N Ireland. Am I therefore a different 'race' from a person whose ancestors came from Switzerland for the last 400 years ?


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#3827900 - 08/27/13 02:21 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Those are good questions Archie. Perhaps someone should have asked them a few generations back before the U.S. Government started putting them on their various forms.

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Are you saying that US government forms actually ask what "race" you are ? You would get in heaps of trouble for asking that on a form up here. Race, religion, sexual preference, etc are all considered private info.


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#3827914 - 08/27/13 02:44 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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That is what I'm saying. I always pick a different one to confuse them when they collate my forms. The last one was "Other" with the "Subterranean Lizard Person" as my answer.

#3827925 - 08/27/13 03:17 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: No105_Archie]  
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Originally Posted By: No105_Archie
Are you saying that US government forms actually ask what "race" you are ? You would get in heaps of trouble for asking that on a form up here. Race, religion, sexual preference, etc are all considered private info.


Don't you have to answer those on the Census form Archie?


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In the US, it has a lot to do with various Federal and State affirmative action programs, education equality programs, etc., all based on race, gender and probably how many toes you have on each foot. Before I replied, I did a quick Google search and then decided I didn't want to spend the next hour typing in all the Federal and State programs that use race and gender as qualifying issues.

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That's a good question. I really can't remember if it was there or not. .....besides, didn't our illustrious federal gov't make the whole excercise optional a few years back ?

I do some IT work for the province and I know that they won't ask about race , religion etc on applications for housing or welfare or any sort of permit. The healthcare will give you an optional question on religion if you want some sort of cleric to visit you in hospital.


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#3828053 - 08/27/13 06:58 PM Re: The most comprehensive representation of racial distribution in America ever made. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
When I look at the map for SoCal I can tell if the Asian population is Vietnamese or Chinese simply based on the neighborhood although they are the same color on the map. Also, in CA it is folks of Mexican descent mainly and in South Florida it is Cubans and in New York it is probably Puerto Ricans. The map is only making broad lumps.

Jason
I believe Orange, CA has a major Vietnamese community there.


Westminster, CA near Orange and just across the 405 Frwy. from Huntington Beach is called Little Saigon.

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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
When I look at the map for SoCal I can tell if the Asian population is Vietnamese or Chinese simply based on the neighborhood although they are the same color on the map. Also, in CA it is folks of Mexican descent mainly and in South Florida it is Cubans and in New York it is probably Puerto Ricans. The map is only making broad lumps.

Jason


Not to mention folks of Middle Eastern descent together with Native Americans under "Other". How is that going to be useable for statistics ?

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