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#3817177 - 08/01/13 07:49 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Or like this:



...and this fo bigger missiles:





... and this for the biggest! wink


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#3817403 - 08/02/13 07:29 AM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp

I will not display parachutes, as you would fire on them...
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I would not! I've never even fired on the SR-71 over West Germany. I play by the rules!

But I still understand why you don't want parachutes.

Fragments from a disintegrating target and smoke? Or just smoke?

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#3817449 - 08/02/13 12:34 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Mdore]  
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Fragments from a disintegrating target and smoke? Or just smoke?


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#3823503 - 08/17/13 10:06 AM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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guys

would u tell me about launch delay between per launch in OSA ?
could we launch 2 missile in parallel like sa-6 ?

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#3823587 - 08/17/13 03:06 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: farokh]  
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guys

would u tell me about launch delay between per launch in OSA ?
could we launch 2 missile in parallel like sa-6 ?


You can have always, two missiles is the air,with a minimum of 4 sec launch.

#3825135 - 08/21/13 11:00 AM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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guys....

could we comparing between OSA-AK and ROLAND missile system ?

witch one is better?


#3825165 - 08/21/13 12:19 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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More SA-8 use in Syria.



Looks like their camera has gone out of alignment :\

#3825273 - 08/21/13 04:20 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: farokh]  
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guys....

could we comparing between OSA-AK and ROLAND missile system ?

witch one is better?





1 OSA AK = +4 ROLANDs

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#3825285 - 08/21/13 04:38 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Mdore]  
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More SA-8 use in Syria.



Looks like their camera has gone out of alignment :\



I am not convinced that this particular OSA fired .

There is no lock indication . The carat/camera is trembling (besides the ...cameraman) .

Most probably an adjacent system very close fired (searching radar of ,not to jam the firing unit) and the missile is coming from the right as is the target is maneuvering but the illuminating target is almost steady .

Still don't understand ,if this is the scenario,why not the test target in the middle of crosshair .

#3825331 - 08/21/13 06:34 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Is it possible that camera is damaged and not calibrated with TTR axis? ePap?

#3825337 - 08/21/13 06:52 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: piston79]  
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Is it possible that camera is damaged and not calibrated with TTR axis? ePap?


Yes it is possible,but for sure this OSA is not the firing OSA.

For me is more probable the antena is in fix position waiting for firing results .

Strange for me is the camera oscillation but also the position of the target.
I saw another video with the target in the same position ,out of the center of carat.
May be the same OSA !

Strange situation.
Any ideas ?

#3825346 - 08/21/13 07:19 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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I do not know the SA-8, but...

1. The sound of launching.... If it is another SA-8, it should be "cheek-to-cheek" with this one....
2. The camera is in NFOV (narrow field of view) and the target is in 270-360 degrees quadrant of the screen (away of the crosshair), I believe on the previous video, the target was there too, but closer (WFOV)....

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#3825359 - 08/21/13 07:39 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: piston79]  
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I do not know the SA-8, but...

1. The sound of launching.... If it is another SA-8, it should be "cheek-to-cheek" with this one....
2. The camera is in NFOV (narrow field of view) and the target is in 270-360 degrees quadrant of the screen (away of the crosshair), I believe on the previous video, the target was there too, but closer (WFOV)....


1. Yes.cheek to cheek,that's why TAR is not radiating (PPI sweep is steady) in order not to interfere/jam the firing one,I guess...
2. You are right.

Strange also why the operator switch off the camera just after firing.It's not normal ...

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#3825571 - 08/22/13 05:59 AM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: farokh]  
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Farokh, I don't know much about the Roland missile system. The information I looked up seems to show the Roland is slower and has shorter range than the Osa.

The Roland seems to be more similar to the Tunguska, minus the guns. Both the Roland and Tunguska have 8km range, both fly at about mach 1.6, and both use "command to line-of-sight guidance"

#3825595 - 08/22/13 10:15 AM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Mdore]  
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Farokh, I don't know much about the Roland missile system. The information I looked up seems to show the Roland is slower and has shorter range than the Osa.

The Roland seems to be more similar to the Tunguska, minus the guns. Both the Roland and Tunguska have 8km range, both fly at about mach 1.6, and both use "command to line-of-sight guidance"


1 OSA AK =+4 Roland .
Simple maths...

PS: Roland in photo is Roland 1(range ~6 km).

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Why 1 OSA AK = ~ 4 ROLANDs ?

Question especially to Farouk who asked .

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Originally Posted By: ePap
Quiz

Why 1 OSA AK = ~ 4 ROLANDs ?

Question especially to Farouk who asked .



this is hard question... because i dont know nothing anout roland but...

OSA missile speed is aprox 2.5 mach and roland missile speed around 1.5 ! this is big point !
and maybe osa target calculator parameters is so faster than roland..
and the other side ... OSA SOC have longest detect range than roland
at the end ... OSA armed with 6 missiles silo and roland i think that maximum overload is 4 missiles
as mdore@ wrote : these 2 using one method ! CLOS !

#3825684 - 08/22/13 02:03 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: farokh]  
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Quiz

Why 1 OSA AK = ~ 4 ROLANDs ?

Question especially to Farouk who asked .



this is hard question... because i dont know nothing anout roland but...

OSA missile speed is aprox 2.5 mach and roland missile speed around 1.5 ! this is big point !
and maybe osa target calculator parameters is so faster than roland..
and the other side ... OSA SOC have longest detect range than roland
at the end ... OSA armed with 6 missiles silo and roland i think that maximum overload is 4 missiles
as mdore@ wrote : these 2 using one method ! CLOS !


It is not so complex.

Just maths.You have the range of both systems.

Well,why 1 OSA =~4 ROLANDs ?

#3825734 - 08/22/13 04:09 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: ePap]  
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Quiz

Why 1 OSA AK = ~ 4 ROLANDs ?

Question especially to Farouk who asked .



this is hard question... because i dont know nothing anout roland but...

OSA missile speed is aprox 2.5 mach and roland missile speed around 1.5 ! this is big point !
and maybe osa target calculator parameters is so faster than roland..
and the other side ... OSA SOC have longest detect range than roland
at the end ... OSA armed with 6 missiles silo and roland i think that maximum overload is 4 missiles
as mdore@ wrote : these 2 using one method ! CLOS !


It is not so complex.

Just maths.You have the range of both systems.

Well,why 1 OSA =~4 ROLANDs ?


I think your implication is that the range is 2x, and area 4x... but I'm not sure that ADA works quite like that... I'd assume more of a barrier than an areal coverage... so the effectiveness would be only a little better than 2x. For a point defense ~ it may even be less significant than that if the attacking aircraft can be engaged successfully before they reach weapon release point, and there is no difference against stand-off weapons that can be launched from outside the coverage of the larger system which are aimed at the 'protected' main target...

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Quiz

Why 1 OSA AK = ~ 4 ROLANDs ?

Question especially to Farouk who asked .



this is hard question... because i dont know nothing anout roland but...

OSA missile speed is aprox 2.5 mach and roland missile speed around 1.5 ! this is big point !
and maybe osa target calculator parameters is so faster than roland..
and the other side ... OSA SOC have longest detect range than roland
at the end ... OSA armed with 6 missiles silo and roland i think that maximum overload is 4 missiles
as mdore@ wrote : these 2 using one method ! CLOS !




It is not so complex.

Just maths.You have the range of both systems.

Well,why 1 OSA =~4 ROLANDs ?


I think your implication is that the range is 2x, and area 4x... but I'm not sure that ADA works quite like that... I'd assume more of a barrier than an areal coverage... so the effectiveness would be only a little better than 2x. For a point defense ~ it may even be less significant than that if the attacking aircraft can be engaged successfully before they reach weapon release point, and there is no difference against stand-off weapons that can be launched from outside the coverage of the larger system which are aimed at the 'protected' main target...


It is not my implication.Is how ADA systems work in space of 3d or the calculation in the power of 3 in order to find the volume of area that protect .

Compare the range of OSA/Roland 6,3/10,3

The above is the main (but not the only) factor that presents the relative fire power of an ADA system.

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