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#3722625 - 01/22/13 11:24 AM Re: Easy Mode [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: Vympel
I have a question Hpasp.

Are you familiar with the DCS: World environment? And if yes, have you thought about porting a SAM system to it? Im sure a lot of people would be interested in that.


Dear Vympel,

Yes I seen it earlier.
I also seen several interesting 3rd party product announcements, but so far I seen quite few (if any) 3rd party releases only.


Yes, you are correct. Many planes are announced, but all of them are far from released. Closest ones (considered by community) are MiG-21bis and Bell UH-1H Huey.

Here is the unofficial list of coming aircraft: List

It was just an idea on my part. Greatest reason for suggesting DCS: World is multiplayer. If one of your options for further development was implementing multiplayer that would definitely get my vote.

Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#3722638 - 01/22/13 12:27 PM Re: Easy Mode [Re: Vympel]  
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Originally Posted By: Vympel
I have a question Hpasp.

Are you familiar with the DCS: World environment? And if yes, have you thought about porting a SAM system to it? Im sure a lot of people would be interested in that.


I'd love it if I could play SAM Simulator against real human controlled aircraft. It would be amazing. I really hope something like that gets made one day.

I see a few problems with using DCS though. First I'll admit I don't own DCS and have never even played it, I've only watched a few videos on YouTube.

There seems to be an era mismatch. SAM Simulator uses old 50s and 60s missile technology in wars in the 60s 70s 80s and 90s. DCS seems to be set now or in recent history. So for them to work together either DCS would have to use older aircraft, or SAM Simulator would need to be updated to the modern era.

Yes there are SA-2s and SA-3s still in use today, but most have at least partial if not total digital system upgrades, with computers and microchips replacing valves.

And secondly is Jamming. The only jamming in SAM Simulator is noise jamming. But modern jamming pods do so many more things. Angle jamming, range gate pull off, and more. Is there enough information publicly available to create a realistic experience of how a SAM system would react to all these advanced deception jamming techniques? If there isn't, then the SIM would have huge holes in realism. Again, that would seem to limit things to 1970s and earlier, before intelligent jamming pods. I don't think DCS covers aircraft that old.

So in short, since post 1970s electronic systems are still probably secret, and can't be simulated accurately, then it would have to be set 1970s or earlier. DCS doesn't cover this era.

But all problems aside. I think a 1960s or 1970s Vietnam War, Arab Israeli War, or WW3 Simulator could possibly work, with humans controlling both the Aircraft and the Anti-aircraft defences, and if that game was made, and made well, it would be amazing!

#3722660 - 01/22/13 01:13 PM Re: Easy Mode [Re: Mdore]  
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Originally Posted By: Mdore
SAM Simulator uses old 50s and 60s missile technology in wars in the 60s 70s 80s and 90s. DCS seems to be set now or in recent history. So for them to work together either DCS would have to use older aircraft, or SAM Simulator would need to be updated to the modern era.


are you sure guys??? i play some times with dcs-a10 !.... one of dangerous AA machine for a-10 is zsu-23-4 shilka tanksalot
of course im not sure shilkas parameters on DCS was based on real parameters nope.... any way , i cant run from shilka

#3728418 - 01/31/13 08:03 PM Re: Easy Mode [Re: farokh]  
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Just wondering, was there ever a proposal of a German translation?
I can read English just fine and learned some importan Russian words, but occasional I do wonder what they called a firing solution or jammer in East Germany.
The terms used in my native Austria probably are quite different.

#3799016 - 06/19/13 07:08 PM Re: Easy Mode [Re: farokh]  
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dear hpasp

please create one ordinary map editor for sa-5 or for samsim till we can use high performance in samsim !
please ! right know till next 6 moth we will meet bad periods without new thing ! ...... sigh
so please give us the chance to create own scenarios till new system comes up
this is great hobby !

#3802713 - 06/28/13 08:08 PM Re: Easy Mode [Re: farokh]  
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#3806216 - 07/07/13 08:09 PM Re: Easy Mode [Re: farokh]  
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to hpasp @

would you add some IRZ by manual choosing of numbers for scenarios ? !
we with sa-2 and sa-3 we have no chance to run from harm and harm explosion sound is very bad

#3813733 - 07/24/13 11:31 AM Re: Easy Mode [Re: farokh]  
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I have another suggestion/request for Hpasp.

Could you add one more track to GPX files, that would represent our SAM site. I think that would not be hard to do, and it would mean alot.

#3813770 - 07/24/13 01:14 PM Re: Easy Mode [Re: Vympel]  
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Originally Posted By: Vympel
I have another suggestion/request for Hpasp.

Could you add one more track to GPX files, that would represent our SAM site. I think that would not be hard to do, and it would mean alot.


Not really understand this request.

In SAMSIM, we are shooting from real historical SAM sites, identifying those in Google Earth, shouldn't be a problem for anybody.
(sometimes it needs to pull the date back in Google Earth, if the site is already converted for civilian use)


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3813934 - 07/24/13 07:58 PM Re: Easy Mode [Re: farokh]  
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I think Vympel meant to add a point to GPX file which will show position of SAM site for example by flag for it to be easily visible even from distance.

#3815104 - 07/27/13 05:22 PM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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As the visual graphical engine specification is due to freezing, I would like to define the biggest target it could display.

(this engine is planned to be used in the future by SAMSIM displaying Karat Camera picture of Volhov/Neva/KRUG/OSA/RPK1, and optical sight of Dvina/Shilka/Strela)





What is the biggest target you could envisioned?

So far I found...

Maximum target length - AN-225 84m
Maximum target wingspan - AN-225 89m
Maximum target height - A-380 25m

... is there anything bigger than these???

Last edited by Hpasp; 07/27/13 06:30 PM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3815167 - 07/27/13 09:42 PM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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Maximum target wingspan: H-4 Hercules (97.5 m)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_H-4_Hercules

#3816029 - 07/30/13 06:45 AM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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jawdrop This is a REAL BUFF thumbsup B-52 sucks yep

#3823773 - 08/18/13 09:12 AM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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OK guys !

So almost Sa-8 gecko / OSA-AK created on samsim and we will see this doll at little close future
So you Think That Hpasp In Summer Thinking to what system for next Future of samsim ?





you think after SA-8 gecko , we need witch system ? smile

#3823777 - 08/18/13 09:48 AM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
OK guys !

So almost Sa-8 gecko / OSA-AK created on samsim and we will see this doll at little close future
So you Think That Hpasp In Summer Thinking to what system for next Future of samsim ?
......................

you think after SA-8 gecko , we need witch system ? smile



More historical scenarios, more "realistic to the switch" behavior....

#3823781 - 08/18/13 10:01 AM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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More systems are nice, but I'd like more reasons to use the existing systems.

Better and different types of jamming and decoys, and targets that manoeuvre. Smarter enemies.

Mission variability, so playing the same mission will mean you see the enemy doing different things.

Mission editor, so we can create and share our own missions.

Team play. So multiple players can work together on a single mission.

#3823798 - 08/18/13 11:15 AM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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Guys .. This Post Is Logical Polling .... smash
So We Need To Deep Thinking About Every Thing During samsim development

I am pretty agree with Mdore @ idea.... but one thing is missed!
Look: For Better Type Of Jammers And Newer Maneuver we Need Better System For Against Them Right ? right or not ?

please be aware that in "Operation El Dorado Canyon" at "Benghazi" you have one Sa-2E with more missiles ...
but you do not have any chance to use them very clearly ...
why ?
Because they using better technology than yours...!
They had AGM-88 Harm for you .... And Several Wild Weasel for attack to you ...
so dear Mdore @ ... just thinking.... with this hard situation...
If Hpasp Adding more types Of Angular Jammer Or Other Types and more maneuver tactics
You Have How Many Percent To Attack Them ? ...... ? Only way to Run Trom Them Is Pause Samsim And smoking Ciggaret
is that what you want....? reading



And About Pistons Post .... I Am Agree too.. With piston79 wink
But i Guess Scenario editor is better plan for future right ?
you can play with one scenario but its intresting just for once !
and after one time... this scenario could be repetitious for you

I Think Only Thing We Need Is One System Of New Air Defense Generation
with one New System , We Can test New Jammer Type And New Maneuver Tactics Without Any Stress
And We Can Know More Information About Modern Wars .....
We Are So Beginner for modern air defense simulation ....
We Do Not know Even First prototype of s-300P Or mim-104 Patriot how is work ....
We Need one modern evolution that one person just can do it ... his name is ...HpasP







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#3823825 - 08/18/13 02:29 PM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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I've been away for a while, but just spotted the following on eBay and thought it may arouse some interest:
2K22 Tunguska/SA-19 Grison Manual

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#3823879 - 08/18/13 05:38 PM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: Wolfhound]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfhound
I've been away for a while, but just spotted the following on eBay and thought it may arouse some interest:
2K22 Tunguska/SA-19 Grison Manual



I could give it to you for free...

#3823889 - 08/18/13 06:19 PM Re: Suggestions + Ideas { SAM SIMULATOR } [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh

I am pretty agree with Mdore @ idea.... but one thing is missed!
Look: For Better Type Of Jammers And Newer Maneuver we Need Better System For Against Them Right ? right or not ?


Negative! Variouse type of jamming has impact on different systems:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3735448/Re_Electronic_Warfare_EW_inclu#Post3735448


Originally Posted By: farokh
please be aware that in "Operation El Dorado Canyon" at "Benghazi" you have one Sa-2E with more missiles ...
but you do not have any chance to use them very clearly ...
why ?


This is why it is realistic, dude! elvesdragon


Originally Posted By: farokh
I Think Only Thing We Need Is One System Of New Air Defense Generation
with one New System , We Can test New Jammer Type And New Maneuver Tactics Without Any Stress
And We Can Know More Information About Modern Wars .....
We Are So Beginner for modern air defense simulation ....
We Do Not know Even First prototype of s-300P Or mim-104 Patriot how is work ....
.....


Please, provide to developer pictures from the inside of the Patriot/S-300; some officers with expirience with them, and full technical data of radar/missile performance... Piece of cake!

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